1 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:45,505 It is, for better or worse... 2 00:00:45,672 --> 00:00:47,090 Seattle-based bands 3 00:00:47,257 --> 00:00:48,466 have topped the world charts 4 00:00:48,633 --> 00:00:51,761 for the past few years. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, 5 00:00:51,928 --> 00:00:54,431 and Soundgarden have sold millions of records. 6 00:00:54,597 --> 00:00:56,433 ...releases to a major label debut... 7 00:00:56,599 --> 00:00:59,144 ...musical movements centered around Seattle 8 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:01,813 in a sound and style that became known as grunge. 9 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:03,690 A month before that album came out, 10 00:01:03,857 --> 00:01:05,108 they were... 11 00:01:05,275 --> 00:01:07,610 ...the basis of the generation 12 00:01:07,777 --> 00:01:09,821 of... X societies. 13 00:01:09,988 --> 00:01:11,656 How does the grunge movement, 14 00:01:11,948 --> 00:01:13,867 as I understand it, is the fact that these kids 15 00:01:14,034 --> 00:01:16,536 have the ability to say anything they want to say, 16 00:01:16,703 --> 00:01:18,329 express anything they want to express, 17 00:01:18,663 --> 00:01:22,125 any anger, any pain, any anguish, any torment, 18 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,836 and they feel a kinship, a oneness, 19 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:28,048 that this young man has been through, tragedy... 20 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:36,973 Thanks a lot. This is gonna be the last song. 21 00:01:49,152 --> 00:01:50,487 ♪ Enough of your doctrines ♪ 22 00:01:50,653 --> 00:01:52,030 ♪ Your manifestos ♪ 23 00:01:52,822 --> 00:01:53,990 ♪ I'm a simple man ♪ 24 00:01:55,283 --> 00:01:56,910 ♪ I speak with simple words ♪ 25 00:01:58,244 --> 00:02:00,789 .1' Talk about inclusion Not exclusion ♪ 26 00:02:04,542 --> 00:02:05,835 ♪ I sing my song ♪ 27 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:10,673 ♪ Across these rivers, Valleys, mountains, seas ♪ 28 00:02:11,466 --> 00:02:13,259 ♪ Fields, oceans ♪ 29 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:16,888 ♪ I'm a teacher ♪ 30 00:02:17,055 --> 00:02:18,264 ♪ You're a teacher too ♪ 31 00:02:19,641 --> 00:02:20,850 ♪ I'm a pencil-pusher ♪ 32 00:02:21,017 --> 00:02:23,436 ♪ I'm a ditch digger I'm a loser ♪ 33 00:02:37,951 --> 00:02:39,119 ♪ Let's start a riot ♪ 34 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:41,454 ♪ Under the night air ♪ 35 00:02:45,291 --> 00:02:46,543 Remember those big bubbles 36 00:02:46,709 --> 00:02:48,044 that used to float through the middle of town? 37 00:02:48,211 --> 00:02:49,379 Yeah. 38 00:02:49,546 --> 00:02:51,714 - These big bubbles, man. - Yeah, they still do. 39 00:02:51,881 --> 00:02:53,299 Yeah, you see them once in a while. 40 00:02:53,466 --> 00:02:56,010 They've got this big pit out in the bay, 41 00:02:57,137 --> 00:02:58,221 and it's like all, like this weird shit 42 00:02:58,388 --> 00:03:00,515 and it comes out of the process, and the way... 43 00:03:00,682 --> 00:03:02,725 the bubbles they're like this big and they'd float around 44 00:03:02,892 --> 00:03:05,687 and they were bad toxic things. So, the way they get rid of it 45 00:03:05,854 --> 00:03:07,564 is they got these big water sprinklers 46 00:03:07,730 --> 00:03:09,357 and they just like run sprinklers over it to pop them... 47 00:03:09,524 --> 00:03:10,984 But a bubble still gets out once in a while. 48 00:03:11,151 --> 00:03:12,527 They're huge, they're like... 49 00:03:12,694 --> 00:03:13,778 Like bubble of death. 50 00:03:14,279 --> 00:03:16,948 I went to Bothell High School which was a suburban hell-hole. 51 00:03:18,074 --> 00:03:20,160 Um, there's a sign as you enter town that says, 52 00:03:20,326 --> 00:03:22,954 'Welcome to Bothell for a day or a lifetime' 53 00:03:23,454 --> 00:03:25,123 and someone... 54 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:26,749 Someone, I wish I had done it, 55 00:03:26,916 --> 00:03:29,210 but someone erased the B-O-T at one time 56 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:31,713 so it was 'Welcome to hell for a day or a lifetime'. 57 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,715 The Northwest is where flying saucers, 58 00:03:33,882 --> 00:03:35,633 the term "flying saucers" was coined. 59 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,803 And the Northwest is where Louie Louie's from, 60 00:03:38,970 --> 00:03:40,555 the Northwest is where... 61 00:03:40,722 --> 00:03:42,724 it's the serial killer capital of the world. 62 00:03:42,891 --> 00:03:45,560 I mean, we have more unsolved serial killings up here 63 00:03:45,727 --> 00:03:48,021 than any other place in the United States. 64 00:03:48,188 --> 00:03:51,149 I mean, the Manson family used to vacation up this way. 65 00:03:51,316 --> 00:03:53,443 This place is weird. A lot of occult stuff. 66 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:57,238 All this stuff is a factor in what happened in the music. 67 00:04:12,629 --> 00:04:14,088 I mean, when the weather's crappy, 68 00:04:14,255 --> 00:04:15,798 you don't wanna go outside. 69 00:04:16,007 --> 00:04:18,259 You know, you basically feel like staying in the house 70 00:04:18,426 --> 00:04:19,469 and, uh... 71 00:04:20,845 --> 00:04:23,765 it's a very logical thing to wanna go down into your basement 72 00:04:23,932 --> 00:04:26,517 and, you know, make noise to take out your frustrations 73 00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:28,353 because you can't go outside 74 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,396 and do anything when it's raining all the time. 75 00:04:30,605 --> 00:04:32,232 ♪ Don't get off the bus ♪ 76 00:04:32,398 --> 00:04:34,108 ♪ Cause there ain't Nothing for you here ♪ 77 00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:35,443 ♪ Singin' my hometown... ♪ 78 00:04:35,652 --> 00:04:36,945 Is Seattle a nice place to live? 79 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:38,196 It's the best place to live. 80 00:04:38,363 --> 00:04:39,822 And I've traveled all over the place 81 00:04:39,989 --> 00:04:41,199 and I honestly wouldn't live anywhere else. 82 00:04:41,366 --> 00:04:43,785 It has all the amenities of a big city, but... 83 00:04:45,161 --> 00:04:46,663 you know, there's nothing you're missing out on 84 00:04:46,829 --> 00:04:48,498 by being in Seattle as opposed to another city. 85 00:04:49,207 --> 00:04:50,583 And it's pretty, you know, 86 00:04:50,750 --> 00:04:53,211 there's hills and mountains and trees and water. 87 00:04:53,378 --> 00:04:54,796 So, all these people come here 88 00:04:54,963 --> 00:04:56,089 and then there's all this publicity 89 00:04:56,256 --> 00:04:57,674 and Northern Exposure 90 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,467 and Twin Peaks and all this stuff 91 00:04:59,634 --> 00:05:00,718 and everyone wants to come up here 92 00:05:00,885 --> 00:05:02,428 and live the good yuppie lifestyle 93 00:05:02,595 --> 00:05:04,973 but all the time there's all these people 94 00:05:05,139 --> 00:05:06,683 that are underneath that were here first 95 00:05:06,849 --> 00:05:08,935 and they're just starving and they're all crazy. 96 00:05:09,394 --> 00:05:11,104 I mean, it's like one of those end of the world places 97 00:05:11,271 --> 00:05:13,398 you can't go no further and still be in the US. 98 00:06:40,651 --> 00:06:43,029 In 1980... 99 00:06:43,571 --> 00:06:46,366 I think bands stopped coming to Seattle. 100 00:06:46,532 --> 00:06:48,076 Bands never used to come here. 101 00:06:48,242 --> 00:06:49,869 They'd go as far as San Francisco and then not... 102 00:06:50,745 --> 00:06:52,205 not come all the way up to Seattle 103 00:06:52,372 --> 00:06:53,831 because it wasn't worth it to play one show. 104 00:06:53,998 --> 00:06:56,417 There were two, maybe two and a half clubs 105 00:06:56,584 --> 00:06:58,878 where you could play if you were playing your own music. 106 00:06:59,379 --> 00:07:01,089 Some people used to rent halls, 107 00:07:01,506 --> 00:07:03,299 just put their whole show on themselves, 108 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:05,385 take tickets, run up do the music 109 00:07:05,843 --> 00:07:07,637 and at the end pick up the broom and clean it up. 110 00:07:07,804 --> 00:07:09,305 ♪ Let me call you about it ♪ 111 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:19,982 ♪ Woke up this morning... ♪ 112 00:07:20,149 --> 00:07:21,567 Well, Seattle was really lame, 113 00:07:22,318 --> 00:07:24,153 you know, specifically, in the early '80s, 114 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,572 I mean, Seattle was like a million second cities. 115 00:07:26,739 --> 00:07:29,534 It had a fake Talking Heads, it had a fake Pere Ubu, 116 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:31,619 it had a fake Killing Joke, 117 00:07:31,953 --> 00:07:34,705 it had all the fake Ramones you could shake a stick at, 118 00:07:34,872 --> 00:07:36,124 you know, and people from Bellevue 119 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:37,583 singing with English accents. 120 00:07:37,792 --> 00:07:40,294 There was this big poodle metal scene. 121 00:07:40,461 --> 00:07:43,798 Bands with, um, big fancy guitars and... 122 00:07:43,965 --> 00:07:46,551 just tons and tons of hairspray, eyeliner... 123 00:07:46,717 --> 00:07:48,469 See, all the extra sleazy punk rockers 124 00:07:48,636 --> 00:07:49,929 used to hang out on First Avenue. 125 00:07:50,263 --> 00:07:51,889 There was a donut shop right there 126 00:07:52,056 --> 00:07:53,683 which was right next to The Showbox 127 00:07:53,850 --> 00:07:56,477 which is right there. It's a comedy club now. 128 00:07:56,644 --> 00:07:58,729 And that was like the big punk rock venue. 129 00:07:58,896 --> 00:07:59,981 Opening night, 130 00:08:00,148 --> 00:08:01,482 the very first punk club in Seattle. 131 00:08:01,649 --> 00:08:02,817 This is probably worth, 132 00:08:02,984 --> 00:08:04,902 you know, three, four hundred bucks. 133 00:08:21,169 --> 00:08:22,795 Nobody was too worried about success 134 00:08:22,962 --> 00:08:24,547 because we knew we were living in Seattle, 135 00:08:24,714 --> 00:08:26,007 you know, it wasn't LA, 136 00:08:26,174 --> 00:08:27,467 nobody was gonna come and sign us... 137 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:29,677 You played a show in some small club... 138 00:08:30,219 --> 00:08:32,096 the audience consisted of members 139 00:08:32,263 --> 00:08:34,807 of the other dozen or so bands that were playing 140 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,893 similar bills and similar clubs... 141 00:08:46,903 --> 00:08:48,488 The bands that stuck it out 142 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:50,781 did it because they really, really, really enjoyed 143 00:08:50,948 --> 00:08:52,074 playing their music 144 00:08:52,241 --> 00:08:53,701 and that was really the only 145 00:08:53,868 --> 00:08:56,162 positive reinforcement that anybody got. 146 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:58,456 We really started playing music cause it's fun 147 00:08:58,623 --> 00:08:59,999 which probably most people say 148 00:09:00,166 --> 00:09:03,294 but with us, it's true. 149 00:09:03,461 --> 00:09:05,505 - Yeah, everybody else is lying. - Everybody else is lying. 150 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:18,059 ♪ After all the Trouble's come and gone ♪ 151 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:20,353 ♪ It was here for so long ♪ 152 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,356 ♪ Now I've got This sinking feeling ♪ 153 00:09:23,523 --> 00:09:26,651 ♪ Everyone seems to be leaving ♪ 154 00:09:27,235 --> 00:09:29,362 ♪ Oh, whoa, oh ♪ 155 00:09:29,529 --> 00:09:32,698 ♪ And I can't believe how Lonely it is here on K Street ♪ 156 00:09:33,032 --> 00:09:35,159 ♪ There's no one like me Here on K Street ♪ 157 00:09:35,326 --> 00:09:38,412 ♪ How lonely it is Here on K Street today ♪ 158 00:09:38,871 --> 00:09:42,291 ♪ Today, today, today ♪ 159 00:09:42,458 --> 00:09:44,168 I've never been in any other spot in the country 160 00:09:44,335 --> 00:09:45,920 where so many people played, you know? 161 00:09:46,546 --> 00:09:48,256 You know, there's tons of shitty bands and there's... 162 00:09:48,422 --> 00:09:50,216 but there's, like, tons of great bands too and... 163 00:09:50,383 --> 00:09:52,718 The most interesting music around here 164 00:09:52,885 --> 00:09:55,721 is definitely coming from places where people are 165 00:09:55,888 --> 00:09:57,598 just playing in their garage, they're playing to themselves 166 00:09:57,765 --> 00:09:58,683 or playing to their friends. 167 00:09:58,849 --> 00:10:00,768 Across the street, lives these guys 168 00:10:00,935 --> 00:10:02,395 who are in a band called Sisters Sidekick, 169 00:10:02,645 --> 00:10:04,730 then there's another brand who practices there 170 00:10:04,939 --> 00:10:06,732 and they're all friends and then Her Fault, 171 00:10:06,899 --> 00:10:08,067 my little brother's band... 172 00:10:09,068 --> 00:10:10,278 and they're all friends. 173 00:10:10,444 --> 00:10:12,530 They go to the show, it's just friends playing music. 174 00:10:13,614 --> 00:10:16,951 ♪ I can't believe how lonely It is here on K Street ♪ 175 00:10:17,118 --> 00:10:19,453 ♪ There's no one like me Here on K Street ♪ 176 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:22,665 ♪ How lonely it is Here on K Street today ♪ 177 00:10:22,832 --> 00:10:26,085 ♪ Today, today, today ♪ 178 00:10:26,252 --> 00:10:30,923 ♪ Today, today, today, today ♪ 179 00:10:31,090 --> 00:10:33,301 We're all so fucking bored out of our heads 180 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:36,012 that it was get drunk, fall down, 181 00:10:36,178 --> 00:10:38,639 and, uh, you know, throw your body around 182 00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:41,559 and all the bands that came through Seattle at that time 183 00:10:41,726 --> 00:10:43,561 Scratch Acid and Big Black 184 00:10:43,728 --> 00:10:47,106 said that Seattle had the most exciting, potent scene 185 00:10:47,273 --> 00:10:49,609 going on in the US, they all loved to play here 186 00:10:49,775 --> 00:10:52,069 because everyone would just like go nuts 187 00:10:52,236 --> 00:10:54,155 and drink themselves into a frenzy 188 00:10:54,322 --> 00:10:56,198 and throw themselves on stage 189 00:10:56,365 --> 00:10:57,992 and it was very flattering for these bands, you know, 190 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:00,369 whereas you go to Los Angeles and New York 191 00:11:00,536 --> 00:11:01,746 and people stood there and went, 192 00:11:01,912 --> 00:11:05,207 "Hmm, I don't know. He missed a note there." 193 00:11:15,843 --> 00:11:16,969 Best bands in Seattle were like 194 00:11:17,136 --> 00:11:19,972 Malfunction, The U-Men, who else? 195 00:11:20,139 --> 00:11:25,269 Skin Yard, My High, Feast, 64 Spiders, Bundle of Hiss... 196 00:11:25,436 --> 00:11:27,938 Nobody ever remembers Psycho Pop, man. 197 00:11:28,105 --> 00:11:29,523 We could make a long list 198 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:31,359 if you wanna talk about all Tom's bands. 199 00:11:31,525 --> 00:11:32,693 We were a good band, man. 200 00:11:32,902 --> 00:11:34,612 We had a band called The Fartz. 201 00:11:34,779 --> 00:11:36,530 Red Dress, Blackouts... 202 00:11:36,947 --> 00:11:38,449 The Blackouts were an excellent band, 203 00:11:38,616 --> 00:11:39,909 you know, Free Swimmers, Beakers, 204 00:11:40,076 --> 00:11:43,204 Little Bears from Bangkok, Max Band, Quack Quack Quack. 205 00:11:43,704 --> 00:11:46,165 Nobody knows these names, this is ancient history! 206 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:49,794 One generation out from a band is every band that shared 207 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,837 a member directly with that band. 208 00:11:52,004 --> 00:11:54,340 For instance, you know Stone Gossard was in Green River 209 00:11:54,507 --> 00:11:55,800 and then he went to Mother Love Bone, 210 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:57,343 like that's one generation out. 211 00:11:57,968 --> 00:11:59,595 So, for instance, you could take like an early band 212 00:11:59,762 --> 00:12:00,805 like The Blunt Objects 213 00:12:00,971 --> 00:12:01,972 and it asks you how many generations. 214 00:12:02,139 --> 00:12:03,432 Let's go four generations out. 215 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:07,561 Um, so you sort of have these three columns; 216 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:10,231 the mainstream, heavy metal, hard rock thing that, you know, 217 00:12:10,398 --> 00:12:12,191 Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam have done. 218 00:12:12,358 --> 00:12:14,777 Then there's the Fast Backs, the Posies and, uh, 219 00:12:14,944 --> 00:12:17,279 The Young Fresh Fellows, which were probably 220 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:19,031 the first band to really make it out of Seattle 221 00:12:19,198 --> 00:12:21,033 all by themselves without moving out of town. 222 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,077 And they were just, you know, sort of a pop sound. 223 00:12:23,244 --> 00:12:26,455 And then the third branch is the noise/grunge rock. 224 00:12:26,622 --> 00:12:28,791 That was closely related to Green River and Mudhoney 225 00:12:28,958 --> 00:12:30,084 and The Thrown Ups, 226 00:12:30,251 --> 00:12:32,628 all sort of Sub Pop, you know, grunge sound 227 00:12:32,795 --> 00:12:34,130 and it's pretty incestuous 228 00:12:34,296 --> 00:12:36,257 but you keep bumping into the same old people. 229 00:12:36,757 --> 00:12:37,883 Green River. 230 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:40,010 This was the genesis right here, 231 00:12:40,594 --> 00:12:42,346 Steve and Mark from Mudhoney 232 00:12:42,847 --> 00:12:44,640 and Stone and Jeff from Pearl Jam 233 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:46,976 and Alex who's now studying to be a lawyer. 234 00:12:47,393 --> 00:12:48,769 Room Nine became Love Battery, 235 00:12:48,936 --> 00:12:50,020 Bundle of Hiss became TAD, 236 00:12:50,187 --> 00:12:51,605 Pure Joy became Flop, 237 00:12:51,772 --> 00:12:55,025 Skin Yard, among other things, became, uh, Gruntruck, 238 00:12:55,192 --> 00:12:56,819 Jesse Bernstein who's dead. 239 00:12:57,445 --> 00:13:00,197 Watch folks, hundreds of dollars. 240 00:13:00,364 --> 00:13:02,616 Don was in Butt Sweat 241 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:06,912 and, uh, they played at one skate contest. 242 00:13:07,163 --> 00:13:08,789 And you were too, Tom, don't leave that out. 243 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:10,332 And,uh". 244 00:13:10,499 --> 00:13:12,168 And he was also in the Kings of Rock... 245 00:13:12,334 --> 00:13:14,962 so was Jim Tillman from... ex of Love Battery 246 00:13:15,129 --> 00:13:17,047 What? Jim Tillman wasn't in Butt Sweat? 247 00:13:17,423 --> 00:13:18,674 He played rhythm guitar. 248 00:13:19,008 --> 00:13:19,967 - Did he? - Yeah. 249 00:13:20,176 --> 00:13:21,427 Oh. 250 00:13:21,594 --> 00:13:23,095 Remember friends, this is only a movie, 251 00:13:23,262 --> 00:13:24,638 you're free to leave the theater at any time. 252 00:14:24,573 --> 00:14:26,742 Someone said to me once that there was 253 00:14:26,909 --> 00:14:30,287 the aesthetic of dumb about the Seattle music scene 254 00:14:30,579 --> 00:14:34,124 that the music wasn't stupid but it was dumb, 255 00:14:34,291 --> 00:14:37,294 you know, Mudhoney's not stupid but they're a little bit dumb. 256 00:14:37,461 --> 00:14:40,881 My mom has always told me that I'm not a loser, 257 00:14:41,632 --> 00:14:43,843 so the whole loser thing, I never believed in 258 00:14:44,051 --> 00:14:46,637 'cause clearly, I'm not a loser 259 00:14:46,804 --> 00:14:49,014 and Mark, I think your mom has told you the same thing? 260 00:14:49,181 --> 00:14:50,099 We're not losers. 261 00:14:50,766 --> 00:14:52,685 I guess it's really easy to think of yourself as a loser 262 00:14:52,852 --> 00:14:54,854 'cause then you don't care if people like you or not. 263 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,480 You know, that's sort of the idea, 264 00:14:56,647 --> 00:14:57,940 and then you can do whatever you want. 265 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:00,067 And it's funny. 266 00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:03,195 We were the guy in high school who people used to beat up. 267 00:15:04,655 --> 00:15:06,615 And we couldn't even talk to the pretty girl. 268 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:10,870 I mean, we couldn't... we're nerds, goddammit! 269 00:15:11,579 --> 00:15:13,873 Well, I think ever since Spinal Tap came out, 270 00:15:14,498 --> 00:15:17,543 I mean, they were like pointing the finger at bloated, 271 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:21,380 overly commercialized, deluded bands, 272 00:15:21,547 --> 00:15:24,383 and, uh, we just looked at ourselves, 273 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:26,719 said well we don't have to point at somebody else, we can... 274 00:16:49,551 --> 00:16:51,387 When you've been through periods where you've had 275 00:16:51,553 --> 00:16:55,015 keyboard players with 50,000 pounds worth of kit onstage 276 00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:58,602 and 82 keyboards and 95 samplers 277 00:16:59,061 --> 00:17:02,314 you know, uh, after a while you just go, 278 00:17:02,481 --> 00:17:05,067 "Hang on, this is like eating too much food at one sitting, 279 00:17:05,234 --> 00:17:07,528 it's too much sounds, it's too many colors, 280 00:17:07,695 --> 00:17:10,197 it's... it's all got poncy and posy, 281 00:17:10,823 --> 00:17:13,826 um, let's go and see some bands where they just bash it out." 282 00:17:13,993 --> 00:17:15,703 ♪ Eat my dump ♪ 283 00:17:16,954 --> 00:17:19,665 ♪ Tell me that you love me ♪ 284 00:17:19,832 --> 00:17:21,166 ♪ Eat my dump ♪ 285 00:17:23,127 --> 00:17:26,880 ♪ Help me smell my pie ♪ 286 00:17:27,131 --> 00:17:28,674 Some bands get on stage 287 00:17:28,966 --> 00:17:31,176 and they're, they're basically entertainers, 288 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:32,970 they have, you know, they have a shtick, 289 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:35,472 they are giving you a show. 290 00:17:35,848 --> 00:17:37,474 Some bands get up there and they rock, 291 00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:39,018 and you can tell the difference. 292 00:17:39,351 --> 00:17:41,186 That's why Seattle bands tend to be a little bit 293 00:17:41,353 --> 00:17:43,022 inconsistent live, I think, 294 00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:45,024 is because most of them aren't really up there 295 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,067 to be entertainers, they're up there to rock out, 296 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:49,361 And their best shows are when they're having the most fun. 297 00:17:49,695 --> 00:17:52,364 Not when they necessarily have their act down 298 00:17:52,531 --> 00:17:53,991 because maybe they don't have an act. 299 00:17:54,199 --> 00:17:57,036 If it's connecting with the audience right, I get chills. 300 00:17:57,327 --> 00:17:58,662 - I mean, I can just, - Yeah. 301 00:17:58,829 --> 00:18:00,164 I finish a song and it feels right 302 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:01,957 and I can just tell it's just gonna start going fine, 303 00:18:02,124 --> 00:18:03,667 man, I get chills and they're rocking 304 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:05,377 and fuck yeah, let's go! 305 00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:33,298 There's a million people out there that can do what I'm doing 306 00:19:33,465 --> 00:19:35,717 as far as producing, recording, anything like that, 307 00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:37,803 a lot better than I'm doing, have better equipment, 308 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:40,973 but still, it's like the only way you get good at anything 309 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:42,599 is to be doing it all the time, 310 00:19:42,766 --> 00:19:45,310 so, this is a lifetime chore for me. 311 00:19:45,477 --> 00:19:46,770 Basically, it's just to have 312 00:19:46,937 --> 00:19:48,063 complete control over everything, 313 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:50,190 to be able to do it the way you want to do it, 314 00:19:50,774 --> 00:19:52,484 have it come out the right way 315 00:19:52,651 --> 00:19:56,071 and then not really have anybody that can tell you... 316 00:19:56,822 --> 00:19:58,574 what the hell to do. Where you can play, 317 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,200 how you can look, how you can dress, 318 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:01,910 what songs to record, which ones not to. 319 00:20:02,452 --> 00:20:04,371 It keeps it on a personal level, 320 00:20:04,538 --> 00:20:09,001 it keeps it where rock and roll type things really should be. 321 00:20:09,626 --> 00:20:12,796 It's very much just happening right there, 322 00:20:12,963 --> 00:20:16,258 it's not happening in somebody's big offices 323 00:20:16,425 --> 00:20:18,385 or in somebody's big bank accounts or anything. 324 00:20:18,552 --> 00:20:19,636 It's... 325 00:20:20,095 --> 00:20:22,306 it's really exciting for the people that are doing it. 326 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,686 ♪ Some say to just forget her ♪ 327 00:20:28,103 --> 00:20:30,147 ♪ It'll worry you well If you let it ♪ 328 00:20:30,314 --> 00:20:32,691 ♪ Make every day pathetic ♪ 329 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:35,152 ♪ You're in need of a cure And she is one I 330 00:20:35,319 --> 00:20:37,279 ♪ You'll survive a vegetable ♪ 331 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,032 ♪ The meat's diseased And she said so ♪ 332 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:44,494 ♪ I won't try To persuade you anymore ♪ 333 00:20:49,374 --> 00:20:51,793 ♪ Along time ago ♪ 334 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,213 ♪ I went and lost my way ♪ 335 00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:57,674 FAVE 336 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:04,306 PopLlama was a big influence, 337 00:21:04,473 --> 00:21:05,974 Conrad can do it, so Sub Pop can do it. 338 00:21:06,141 --> 00:21:07,976 We wanted to do our own record so we will, hell! 339 00:21:08,143 --> 00:21:09,269 If these guys can do it, 340 00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:12,731 we've seen these guys so drunk they can't stand up, you know. 341 00:21:13,148 --> 00:21:14,483 They can't drive a car, so, 342 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:16,068 and they can do this, so we can do that. 343 00:21:16,235 --> 00:21:17,444 That's just a given. 344 00:21:17,694 --> 00:21:19,821 I think with people here they don't sit around going, 345 00:21:19,988 --> 00:21:22,491 "Oh, nothing ever happens here. Nothing ever goes on here." 346 00:21:22,658 --> 00:21:24,952 You know, by the time the kid's out of high school, 347 00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,079 he's already been in a band, put out a couple fanzines, 348 00:21:27,246 --> 00:21:30,165 recorded a few records, started a label, did a radio show. 349 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:32,376 That was the whole lesson we learned when we moved up here. 350 00:21:32,542 --> 00:21:33,710 Like, you just do it. 351 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:36,004 We moved up here and we saw other bands, 352 00:21:36,171 --> 00:21:39,174 you know, no different than us just putting out records. 353 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:41,009 All you really need to do that 354 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,971 is some magnetic tape and a microphone, 355 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,431 and that's really all you need, 356 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,561 and then, you know, maybe, just maybe, some bad reverb. 357 00:21:51,728 --> 00:21:54,106 And they smell good, records just smell good. 358 00:21:54,273 --> 00:21:56,775 They, you know, there's nothing like cracking that cellophane 359 00:21:56,942 --> 00:21:58,568 and pulling that record out, it just smells great. 360 00:22:09,538 --> 00:22:11,123 When Deep Six first came out, 361 00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:15,794 it was chronicling something that was suddenly going on, 362 00:22:15,961 --> 00:22:18,588 I guess it was by a fluke of providence, 363 00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:21,550 kind of... a initial document of 364 00:22:21,717 --> 00:22:23,927 what later turned into be a pretty big scene. 365 00:22:24,094 --> 00:22:25,387 I think we all became aware 366 00:22:25,554 --> 00:22:27,806 that there was a certain regional sound developing 367 00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:29,099 and nobody had a name for it. 368 00:22:34,521 --> 00:22:35,814 That's punk rock and... 369 00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,650 one day they just sort of started going, um... 370 00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:46,867 and that was grunge. 371 00:22:48,744 --> 00:22:49,828 The most noisy, 372 00:22:51,496 --> 00:22:52,748 The most absurd, 373 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,751 The heaviest thing that was going. 374 00:23:09,514 --> 00:23:12,017 Yeah, we know this is heavy rock and heavy rock 375 00:23:12,184 --> 00:23:14,227 is kind of stupid but it's fun anyways. 376 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,605 It's where you had a band like The Melvins doing Kiss covers. 377 00:23:17,356 --> 00:23:19,107 It was all in fun, it was like we know 378 00:23:19,274 --> 00:23:20,984 that this is the cheesiest thing we could possibly do, 379 00:23:21,151 --> 00:23:22,110 we gotta do it. 380 00:23:22,569 --> 00:23:24,446 It's just ridiculousness, complete ridiculousness. 381 00:23:24,613 --> 00:23:25,947 What can we get away with next, you know. 382 00:23:55,102 --> 00:23:56,686 Bands like Green River, basically, 383 00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:58,563 they were sort of the definitive grunge band. 384 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:02,651 It was a euphemism for just extremes, extremes of anything, 385 00:24:02,818 --> 00:24:06,405 and a lot of people say that it's a throwback to metal. 386 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:08,907 Heavy metal's part of it, it was one influence, 387 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:10,617 punk rock was one influence, 388 00:24:11,243 --> 00:24:12,911 basically anything loud and crushing 389 00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,246 and extreme was an influence. 390 00:24:14,413 --> 00:24:16,915 We'd all been in bands that were more controlled 391 00:24:17,124 --> 00:24:19,209 and more dynamic, 392 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:22,003 you know, more... better, 393 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,548 better bands actually and we just, well, 394 00:24:25,132 --> 00:24:26,466 our whole thing was we just wanted to 395 00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:28,301 get away from all structure and just be chaotic 396 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:31,513 and not worry about that. It was kind of joyful release. 397 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,974 It's taken rock right back to its basics 398 00:24:34,141 --> 00:24:36,017 which is go up there and make a hell of a noise 399 00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:39,062 and make sure you play music that your parents don't like. 400 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,923 First thing, actually, 401 00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:50,008 was when we were doing the first Soundgarden single, 402 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:51,843 and we were doing a song called "Nothing To Say," 403 00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:53,595 which was just... 404 00:25:54,638 --> 00:25:56,640 at the time just seemed amazingly heavy. 405 00:25:56,806 --> 00:25:58,433 I thought this, you know, 406 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,019 these guys can't possibly be really playing this song, 407 00:26:01,186 --> 00:26:03,522 this sounds like, you know, this sounds insane, 408 00:26:03,688 --> 00:26:05,190 it sounds way too good for 8-track 409 00:26:05,357 --> 00:26:07,108 and it sounds way too good for a, you know, 410 00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:08,735 crappy little Seattle band. 411 00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,754 Bruce Pavitt originally had the name Sub Pop 412 00:26:27,921 --> 00:26:29,297 when he was living in Olympia, I think. 413 00:26:29,923 --> 00:26:32,842 He had a sort of cassette fanzine network 414 00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:34,970 where he put out these little compilation cassettes 415 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:36,054 of local bands. 416 00:26:36,346 --> 00:26:38,515 He was interested in making it a vinyl mix. 417 00:26:39,766 --> 00:26:41,184 The bands he was interested in at the time 418 00:26:41,351 --> 00:26:42,352 were Green River and us. 419 00:26:42,602 --> 00:26:45,689 And John, also, was a huge fan of ours. 420 00:26:46,356 --> 00:26:48,108 He wanted to make a record, start a record label, 421 00:26:48,817 --> 00:26:50,527 so we kinda talked him into working together 422 00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:52,195 to put out our record. 423 00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:55,031 Up to that time, everyone played it really safe, 424 00:26:55,282 --> 00:26:56,908 of all the small labels, 425 00:26:57,117 --> 00:26:59,119 "Well, we'll put out a single every three months 426 00:26:59,286 --> 00:27:02,122 and, you know, we'll sell a thousand copies of it 427 00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:04,416 and that's cool because I've got my day job," 428 00:27:04,583 --> 00:27:06,793 and John and Bruce were having none of that, 429 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,337 they said, you know, we don't want to work day jobs, 430 00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:11,548 we don't want our bands to work day jobs, 431 00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:13,425 we want them out there on the road, 432 00:27:13,592 --> 00:27:15,260 we want them in the big magazines, 433 00:27:16,011 --> 00:27:17,721 we want their records everywhere. 434 00:27:18,013 --> 00:27:19,889 It is punk rock, but we don't care. 435 00:27:20,056 --> 00:27:22,017 We want to make it bigger than punk rock 436 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,437 and that's why these two gentlemen are... 437 00:27:26,146 --> 00:27:28,315 the Kings of the scene, as you might say. 438 00:27:28,607 --> 00:27:32,277 There was a real Indie ethic in the 80s 439 00:27:32,444 --> 00:27:35,155 that you weren't supposed to be proud of having hit records 440 00:27:35,322 --> 00:27:36,406 or being a hit machine. 441 00:27:36,823 --> 00:27:38,575 And John and I, as fans of, 442 00:27:38,867 --> 00:27:40,535 you know, the history of pop music in this... 443 00:27:40,952 --> 00:27:42,621 this, uh, this country, 444 00:27:43,455 --> 00:27:46,916 really admired labels like Motown and their hit factory... 445 00:27:47,917 --> 00:27:48,835 - Mentality. - Yeah. 446 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:51,713 They definitely picked a certain kind of band for their label, 447 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,715 which makes everybody think that's the only thing 448 00:27:53,882 --> 00:27:55,592 that was the only thing that was going on in Seattle. 449 00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:57,218 Um, they... 450 00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:59,721 by default, I ended up engineering all of them and... 451 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:01,973 they had Charles doing all the photography. 452 00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:03,725 So there was definitely a package 453 00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:05,727 an image and a sound. 454 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:09,522 I think every community has their pools of talent 455 00:28:09,689 --> 00:28:11,441 it's just a matter of being able to take on 456 00:28:11,608 --> 00:28:13,151 the responsibility of marketing. 457 00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:17,030 You know, I'm a failed pop musician myself, so... 458 00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:19,949 you know, I kinda decided, 459 00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:22,118 "Well, I'm gonna play in crummy band after crummy band, 460 00:28:22,285 --> 00:28:24,496 I may as well wrap some of these bands 461 00:28:24,663 --> 00:28:26,247 who might have a chance at doing something. 462 00:28:26,414 --> 00:28:29,459 Basically he said, "Hey, you sing about dogs, 463 00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:31,378 you sing about being sick, 464 00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:34,964 you got a shtick, it'll take you to the top." 465 00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:37,592 And he basically gave us like five chords 466 00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:40,720 but he said, "Don't use more than three within one song." 467 00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:49,604 ♪ I feel bad ♪ 468 00:28:51,398 --> 00:28:52,649 ♪ And I've felt worse ♪ 469 00:28:54,651 --> 00:28:56,945 ♪ I'm a creep, yeah ♪ 470 00:28:58,113 --> 00:28:59,322 ♪ I'm a jerk ♪ 471 00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:04,369 ♪ Touch me, I'm sick ♪ 472 00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:12,627 ♪ I won't live long ♪ 473 00:29:14,212 --> 00:29:16,214 ♪ And I'm full of rot ♪ 474 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:22,345 ♪ Gonna give you girl Everything I got ♪ 475 00:29:26,725 --> 00:29:27,559 ♪ Touch me I'm sick ♪ 476 00:29:32,313 --> 00:29:34,232 ♪ Touch me I'm sick ♪ 477 00:29:36,067 --> 00:29:38,653 When Sub Pop finally got their act together and they started 478 00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:43,700 somehow getting this underground hype thing going 479 00:29:44,117 --> 00:29:45,660 which started very small. 480 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:48,455 They flew an English journalist into Seattle, 481 00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:49,873 took him to see a Mudhoney show 482 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,500 and gave him some singles and had him meet everybody 483 00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:54,043 and he went back and wrote a big article 484 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:55,670 in one of the English music papers 485 00:29:55,837 --> 00:29:57,881 and that sort of started this big frenzy in England. 486 00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:00,467 It just seemed like it was a worthwhile business move, 487 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:01,718 - so we... - Yeah. 488 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:05,138 And fortunately, Everett was a brilliant enough guy 489 00:30:05,305 --> 00:30:06,931 that he could piece together a story 490 00:30:07,098 --> 00:30:09,893 that essentially sold the world on Seattle. 491 00:30:10,101 --> 00:30:12,479 ♪ Love me I'm rich ♪ 492 00:30:15,523 --> 00:30:17,901 ♪ Come on baby Now come with me ♪ 493 00:30:18,067 --> 00:30:20,862 ♪ If you don't come If you don't come ♪ 494 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:24,240 ♪ If you don't come You'll die alone ♪ 495 00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:30,580 Sub Pop, the hype machine, and we went along with it. 496 00:30:30,872 --> 00:30:32,123 It seemed pretty funny at the time. 497 00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,210 They didn't really hype their bands, they hyped their label, 498 00:30:35,794 --> 00:30:37,086 which is a much different thing 499 00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:39,672 and a much, a much more original thing... 500 00:30:40,215 --> 00:30:42,509 It gave a record this desirability, 501 00:30:42,675 --> 00:30:44,469 this perhaps fictional desirability, 502 00:30:44,636 --> 00:30:46,095 but, nonetheless, it made the collectors 503 00:30:46,262 --> 00:30:47,597 try and get a hold of these things 504 00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:49,015 and made people talk about them 505 00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:51,059 so, a lot of people talked about Sub Pop 506 00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:52,769 and how cool their records were 507 00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:55,146 and how cool the packaging and the bands were cool 508 00:30:55,313 --> 00:30:56,815 and "Oh, you can't get the record, 509 00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:58,316 it's worth a lot of money already. 510 00:30:58,483 --> 00:31:01,361 People started looking for the Seattle sound, 511 00:31:01,528 --> 00:31:04,781 the same way that D.C., Boston, New York and LA, 512 00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:06,241 and all those places 513 00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:09,077 had this crazy little identity all of their own. 514 00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:12,038 Seattle started getting its own identity 515 00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,249 and Sub Pop decided to exploit that. 516 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,436 ♪ Well alright Yeah, alright ♪ 517 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:41,150 ♪ Saw you lookin' For something simple on beyond ♪ 518 00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:44,571 ♪ We are, Yeah, alright ♪ 519 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,281 ♪ You wouldn't know it ♪ 520 00:31:46,447 --> 00:31:52,078 ♪ If it hit you Right between the eyes ♪ 521 00:31:52,245 --> 00:31:54,247 ♪ Yeah, alright ♪ 522 00:31:54,414 --> 00:31:58,543 ♪ Gonna lift you up, Gonna bring you down ♪ 523 00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:03,298 ♪ Gonna let you walk Through this life alone ♪ 524 00:32:03,631 --> 00:32:08,803 ♪ Gonna let you Follow your own dream ♪ 525 00:32:10,346 --> 00:32:13,892 ♪ It'll turn your head around ♪ 526 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,354 J" For the first time In your life you might find ♪ 527 00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:21,608 ♪ For the second time In a year ♪ 528 00:32:21,774 --> 00:32:23,192 ♪ I don't mind ♪ 529 00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:27,572 ♪ For the last time I think it's time to fly ♪ 530 00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:34,245 ♪ Freedom's Right between the eyes ♪ 531 00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:37,165 Suddenly there were three times as many people 532 00:32:37,332 --> 00:32:38,625 that had been here all along, 533 00:32:39,167 --> 00:32:41,377 going out, seeing bands and supporting those bands 534 00:32:41,544 --> 00:32:45,465 and allowing this scene to be far more viable. 535 00:32:45,632 --> 00:32:47,550 What you actually see happening in Seattle 536 00:32:47,717 --> 00:32:50,553 is this kind of explosion of sub culture. 537 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,430 I think it's a very important thing 538 00:32:52,597 --> 00:32:54,849 and a very healthy thing to have happen anywhere, 539 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,434 particularly in a place like Seattle, 540 00:32:56,601 --> 00:32:58,227 it's so conservative and so reserved 541 00:32:58,394 --> 00:33:00,146 to have something like this happen here's been 542 00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:03,107 nothing short of, like, major electrical shock. 543 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:06,527 Everything was suddenly just buzzing with activity. 544 00:33:06,694 --> 00:33:08,363 I mean, singles were being put out, 545 00:33:08,821 --> 00:33:10,990 but there was no point earlier in history 546 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:12,825 that you could have a magazine devote 547 00:33:12,992 --> 00:33:16,955 an entire record review section just to local record reviews. 548 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:21,000 Um, people from underground fan 'zines across the country 549 00:33:21,167 --> 00:33:23,169 were already starting to snipe about Seattle 550 00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:24,671 and how much hype it was receiving. 551 00:33:25,004 --> 00:33:27,590 When things started to become spotlighted, 552 00:33:27,757 --> 00:33:30,551 more venues opened up 553 00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:33,304 and more opportunities opened up for people to play 554 00:33:33,471 --> 00:33:37,934 but there was never a lack of great musical talent 555 00:33:38,101 --> 00:33:39,686 and it was always really diverse 556 00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:44,107 and there was always an unspoken sense of community about it. 557 00:33:56,411 --> 00:33:58,162 ♪ I'm so happy ♪ 558 00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,498 ♪ It's sunny outside ♪ 559 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:03,042 ♪ I'm so happy ♪ 560 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:05,461 ♪ It's snowing today ♪ 561 00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:11,342 ♪ I'm so ♪ 562 00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:13,594 ♪ I'm so happy ♪ 563 00:34:14,721 --> 00:34:16,222 ♪ The world's gonna explode ♪ 564 00:34:16,681 --> 00:34:18,641 They won't let us in 'cause we're not 18. 565 00:34:18,808 --> 00:34:21,227 What does age have anything to do with music? 566 00:34:21,427 --> 00:34:23,771 ♪...wanna burn the house down ♪ 567 00:34:24,647 --> 00:34:26,691 ♪ Burn the house down ♪ 568 00:34:26,858 --> 00:34:29,152 ♪ Ooh ♪ 569 00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:31,946 ♪ Ooh ♪ 570 00:34:33,031 --> 00:34:34,741 ♪ Ooh ♪ 571 00:34:38,995 --> 00:34:41,748 The Seattle music scene right now is really vital. 572 00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:43,666 I mean, it is so alive, 573 00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:46,419 it's better than London in the 1960s, 574 00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:48,880 it's better than New York in the 70s, I mean... 575 00:34:49,047 --> 00:34:52,467 Margaret, I was in it. I was in London in the 1960s, 576 00:34:52,884 --> 00:34:55,470 I was in London in the 1960s, it was awful! I mean... 577 00:34:55,636 --> 00:34:57,180 If you say the word 'scene' 578 00:34:57,346 --> 00:34:59,307 everybody rolls their eyes and laughs at you. 579 00:34:59,474 --> 00:35:02,018 "Scene." you know, "there's no scene!" 580 00:35:02,185 --> 00:35:04,395 So, a lot of people thought that 581 00:35:04,562 --> 00:35:06,856 it has reached its peak and by next year, 582 00:35:07,023 --> 00:35:09,108 we are all gonna go back to doing what we were doing 583 00:35:09,275 --> 00:35:12,653 and we are all gonna go back to our little small town Utopia 584 00:35:13,279 --> 00:35:15,656 and, uh, about 1990 we all sort of went, 585 00:35:15,823 --> 00:35:17,116 "Oh, good, it's over." 586 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:42,660 Nirvana kinda came out of left field, 587 00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:44,287 uh, namely Aberdeen, 588 00:36:44,495 --> 00:36:46,914 which is a town sort of out in the middle of nowhere. 589 00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,417 And, uh, you know, we just got a phone call 590 00:36:49,584 --> 00:36:52,295 at the studio one day from this guy, you know, Kurt, 591 00:36:52,587 --> 00:36:53,546 says his name was Kurt, 592 00:36:53,713 --> 00:36:54,931 he said he was a friend of the Melvins 593 00:36:55,131 --> 00:36:56,799 and he wanted to come up and just record some songs 594 00:36:56,966 --> 00:36:58,092 and I said okay, 595 00:36:58,342 --> 00:37:00,386 friend of the Melvins, friend of mine, come on up. 596 00:37:00,595 --> 00:37:02,013 You know, I didn't know who the hell he was 597 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:04,056 and nobody else did either. He just came up, 598 00:37:04,223 --> 00:37:07,022 blew out ten songs in five hours, we recorded them 599 00:37:07,222 --> 00:37:10,021 and mixed them in one afternoon and, uh, blew me away. 600 00:37:10,188 --> 00:37:12,190 I thought "Oh, my God, this is amazing," you know? 601 00:37:12,356 --> 00:37:14,775 I said, "Guys, can I please keep a copy of this for myself 602 00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:16,527 before you go back to Aberdeen? 603 00:37:16,694 --> 00:37:17,987 That was the tape I gave to Jonathan. 604 00:37:29,832 --> 00:37:33,044 This is my penultimate grunge photo... 605 00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:36,047 Kurt Cobain spinning on his back. 606 00:37:36,881 --> 00:37:40,301 Everyone asks "How in the hell is he doing that?" I don't know. 607 00:37:40,843 --> 00:37:42,261 ♪ I'm a negative creep ♪ 608 00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:44,805 ♪ I'm a negative creep I'm a negative creep ♪ 609 00:37:44,972 --> 00:37:46,349 ♪ And I'm stoned ♪ 610 00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:49,227 ♪ I'm a negative creep I'm a negative creep ♪ 611 00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:51,812 ♪ I'm a negative creep ♪ 612 00:37:51,979 --> 00:37:54,023 At that point, I think Soundgarden had put out 613 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:56,817 their first major label record, it was doing okay. 614 00:37:56,984 --> 00:37:58,778 I think that Screaming Trees had put out their first 615 00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:00,947 major label record and I think it was doing okay. 616 00:38:01,489 --> 00:38:02,657 Alice in Chains was... 617 00:38:03,074 --> 00:38:05,534 had put out their first major label record, it was doing okay. 618 00:38:05,826 --> 00:38:08,496 But, Nirvana was kind of the little brother, you know, 619 00:38:08,663 --> 00:38:11,123 the runt of the litter, so to speak. 620 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:15,002 And I remember Jonathan telling me in 1990, he said, 621 00:38:15,836 --> 00:38:18,089 "This band is going to be huge." 622 00:38:19,465 --> 00:38:20,800 He said it exactly like that, he said, 623 00:38:20,967 --> 00:38:23,844 "Jack, this band is going to be huge." 624 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,855 The record came out in fall, September. 625 00:38:35,648 --> 00:38:36,899 The video came... 626 00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:39,610 I remember the first time I saw the video, 627 00:38:39,777 --> 00:38:41,862 I thought "This is so cool," 628 00:38:42,029 --> 00:38:45,449 that there's no way MTV will play this, just no way. 629 00:38:45,616 --> 00:38:47,159 And then when that started going 630 00:38:47,326 --> 00:38:49,120 it reached millions of kids instantly. 631 00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:52,164 Ben would go off and call up people back home in Seattle, 632 00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:53,708 he'd come back and say, 633 00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:55,293 you know, the latest sales figures. 634 00:38:55,459 --> 00:38:57,712 He'd go, "Nevermind has done 300,000." 635 00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:01,090 "Nevermind has done 400,000." 636 00:39:02,842 --> 00:39:03,968 "Nevermind just went gold." 637 00:39:04,135 --> 00:39:05,386 ♪...hello, hello ♪ 638 00:39:05,553 --> 00:39:07,013 ♪ With the lights out ♪ 639 00:39:07,388 --> 00:39:08,931 ♪ It's less dangerous ♪ 640 00:39:09,098 --> 00:39:10,933 ♪ Here we are now ♪ 641 00:39:11,434 --> 00:39:13,102 ♪ Entertain us ♪ 642 00:39:13,477 --> 00:39:15,062 ♪ I feel stupid ♪ 643 00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,148 ♪ And contagious ♪ 644 00:39:17,523 --> 00:39:20,776 ♪ Here we are now, Entertain us ♪ 645 00:39:21,569 --> 00:39:25,114 ♪ A denial, a denial ♪ 646 00:39:25,573 --> 00:39:29,118 ♪ A denial, a denial ♪ 647 00:39:29,618 --> 00:39:32,580 ♪ A denial ♪ 648 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:35,082 There was an old, uh, Brain song called 649 00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:36,792 "Money Changes Everything"... 650 00:39:39,003 --> 00:39:41,213 I think we adapted that to "Nirvana changes everything". 651 00:41:01,502 --> 00:41:02,670 It's probably why 652 00:41:03,003 --> 00:41:05,589 you create in the first place, because of the freedom. 653 00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:07,425 Do whatever you want... 654 00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:09,009 whatever you want on tape. 655 00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:11,929 But again, commerce is involved 656 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:14,265 and as soon as it starts going through those channels 657 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,978 those money-making channels, everything changes, you know? 658 00:41:19,145 --> 00:41:20,771 When these bands started to get popular, 659 00:41:20,938 --> 00:41:22,815 all of a sudden everyone wanted to find the next Nirvana, 660 00:41:22,982 --> 00:41:24,817 everyone wanted to sign the next Pearl Jam. 661 00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:26,444 All of a sudden, 662 00:41:26,694 --> 00:41:29,071 bands who'd never played live before, practically, 663 00:41:29,447 --> 00:41:31,031 were getting huge advances. 664 00:41:31,198 --> 00:41:32,741 The labels start 665 00:41:32,908 --> 00:41:34,660 bidding for bands to get bands signed, 666 00:41:34,827 --> 00:41:36,662 so that they could then sell them to a major, 667 00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:38,581 the bands get all worked up 668 00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:41,667 and basically break verbal contracts you make with them 669 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:43,294 because, well, you don't have a contract. 670 00:41:43,461 --> 00:41:44,879 I mean, when I first started 671 00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:46,797 I didn't need contracts, I didn't think I did, you know? 672 00:41:46,964 --> 00:41:48,132 "Here's my friend", you know, 673 00:41:48,382 --> 00:41:50,426 but someone throws, you know, 500,000 in their face 674 00:41:50,593 --> 00:41:51,760 and they're like, "Oh, we didn't have a contract." 675 00:41:51,969 --> 00:41:55,389 If the major labels are like a big, dumb Baby Huey, 676 00:41:56,015 --> 00:41:59,768 you know, that "Oh, what's going on in Athens?" 677 00:41:59,935 --> 00:42:02,271 And waddle over to Athens and you sit down on Athens 678 00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:03,689 and you start buying lunches 679 00:42:03,856 --> 00:42:06,442 and you crush three bands by accident and, you know, 680 00:42:06,609 --> 00:42:08,402 "Wow, the party's in Athens, you know? 681 00:42:08,903 --> 00:42:10,821 And then you kinda look over your shoulder and go, "Oh... 682 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:14,575 Minneapolis and then Baby Huey gets up and goes and sits 683 00:42:14,742 --> 00:42:17,161 on Minneapolis and kills three bands by accident 684 00:42:17,328 --> 00:42:19,413 and buys a bunch of lunches and, you know, 685 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:21,290 kind of plays that party out and then, you know, 686 00:42:21,457 --> 00:42:23,751 so, the idea that they were moving in, you know, 687 00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,127 sort of dedicated clumps, 688 00:42:25,294 --> 00:42:27,588 I mean Seattle was just like part of that process. 689 00:42:27,755 --> 00:42:30,799 ♪ Say good bye To your friends and family ♪ 690 00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:34,345 ♪ Welcome to the menagerie ♪ 691 00:42:35,387 --> 00:42:38,349 ♪ Funny how They forget to tell you ♪ 692 00:42:38,807 --> 00:42:41,435 ♪ This is all you will ever be ♪ 693 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,147 .1' This is all you will Ever be now ♪ 694 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:48,317 ♪ This is all you will ever be ♪ 695 00:42:49,443 --> 00:42:52,196 .1' This is all you will Ever be now ♪ 696 00:42:52,947 --> 00:42:55,449 ♪ This is all you will ever be ♪ 697 00:43:09,713 --> 00:43:11,924 The effect of this whole thing of like hyping a label, 698 00:43:12,124 --> 00:43:13,842 or hyping a sound, or hyping a place, 699 00:43:14,218 --> 00:43:16,554 is it starts to take a lot of the attention away from 700 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,472 the individual artists that are making music. 701 00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:21,141 Everyone doesn't sound the same, everyone isn't grunge, 702 00:43:21,308 --> 00:43:24,186 everyone doesn't have long hair, you know, um... 703 00:43:25,604 --> 00:43:27,106 They made a big mistake. 704 00:43:27,523 --> 00:43:30,317 They didn't go further and find more of the bands 705 00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:32,653 that were already here and had been here 706 00:43:33,445 --> 00:43:36,115 even before the bands that were exploited were, you know? 707 00:43:36,282 --> 00:43:39,535 That's what makes me feel guilty of the success of our band 708 00:43:39,702 --> 00:43:41,620 because it should've been, uh, 709 00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:45,416 spread out to the success of like a number of bands here. 710 00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:47,418 They focused on this one scene 711 00:43:47,585 --> 00:43:49,878 or one type of music when really that's pretty inaccurate 712 00:43:50,045 --> 00:43:51,463 'cause there's all kinds of bands here, you know? 713 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:53,382 There's, like, weird, funky jazz bands 714 00:43:53,549 --> 00:43:55,259 and weird, you know, hip-hop bands, 715 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,845 or punk rock bands, or metal bands or whatever, 716 00:43:58,012 --> 00:43:59,555 it's like there's a whole bunch of stuff, so... 717 00:43:59,722 --> 00:44:00,806 ...and cowpunk bands, there's like 718 00:44:01,265 --> 00:44:02,558 a shit load of different bands here, there always has been. 719 00:44:02,725 --> 00:44:04,226 In Europe, they just started to put 720 00:44:04,393 --> 00:44:05,686 stickers on things that just said "Seattle," 721 00:44:05,853 --> 00:44:07,187 that's all the sticker said. 722 00:44:07,855 --> 00:44:09,315 It was like the stamp, you know, 723 00:44:09,481 --> 00:44:12,693 it's like the USDA, it's like Seattle stamping. 724 00:44:32,588 --> 00:44:33,505 ♪ Yeah ♪ 725 00:44:38,052 --> 00:44:39,345 ♪ Low beat ♪ 726 00:44:40,971 --> 00:44:41,930 Great band. 727 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:43,932 I like the best. 728 00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:45,768 ♪ Low beat ♪ 729 00:44:51,106 --> 00:44:52,608 ♪ Low beat ♪ 730 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,520 ♪ Hey ♪ 731 00:45:33,607 --> 00:45:35,109 ♪ Low beat ♪ 732 00:45:40,364 --> 00:45:42,074 ♪ Low beat Whoa ♪ 733 00:45:42,241 --> 00:45:44,201 I hate the category of grunge. 734 00:45:44,368 --> 00:45:50,082 Grunge categorizes, "Oh, I only like loud, loud music." 735 00:45:50,249 --> 00:45:52,167 I don't need grunge. 736 00:46:06,974 --> 00:46:10,269 ♪ How many times Have I said I'm sorry ♪ 737 00:46:10,936 --> 00:46:13,897 ♪ To only trash you Within the day ♪ 738 00:46:14,523 --> 00:46:17,568 ♪ I think out one of Every statement ♪ 739 00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:20,904 ♪ That my body displays ♪ 740 00:46:21,739 --> 00:46:24,783 ♪ Beware of what I bring you ♪ 741 00:46:25,242 --> 00:46:28,704 ♪ Baggage from far That just gets thrown onto you ♪ 742 00:46:29,204 --> 00:46:32,124 ♪ I bite my tongue And slip through ♪ 743 00:46:32,791 --> 00:46:35,794 ♪ Slip through to you ♪ 744 00:46:41,091 --> 00:46:43,260 Nirvana happening or Pearl Jam happening, 745 00:46:43,427 --> 00:46:45,220 someway seems like kind of a... 746 00:46:45,387 --> 00:46:47,556 some kind of like weird natural occurrence 747 00:46:47,723 --> 00:46:49,475 that got rolling in 1979, 748 00:46:49,641 --> 00:46:52,227 like it's that energy, whatever that energy started as, 749 00:46:52,394 --> 00:46:54,855 I think ultimately, you know, landed with what we got now 750 00:46:55,022 --> 00:46:56,940 and it's not like it's punk rock paying off, 751 00:46:57,316 --> 00:46:59,026 it's more like you push the pimple hard enough 752 00:46:59,193 --> 00:47:00,360 and it pops up someplace else. 753 00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:02,821 ...but then it becomes homogenized, manipulated, 754 00:47:02,988 --> 00:47:05,032 and marketed, and it's not intense anymore. 755 00:47:05,616 --> 00:47:08,160 So, there's a constant cycle of rebellion. 756 00:47:08,327 --> 00:47:10,037 I think punk's gonna be there forever, man... 757 00:47:10,204 --> 00:47:12,164 - Punk is... Yeah. - As long as there's kids that... 758 00:47:12,956 --> 00:47:14,750 Kids are the most important part of punk. 759 00:47:14,917 --> 00:47:15,876 They wanna get wild, yeah. 760 00:47:16,043 --> 00:47:17,211 There'll be no shortage 761 00:47:17,544 --> 00:47:19,755 of disaffected American youth over the next 50 years. 762 00:47:19,922 --> 00:47:20,881 Well, even more. 763 00:47:21,173 --> 00:47:22,341 Some great rock and roll coming down the line. 764 00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:28,138 There's over a thousand bands 765 00:47:28,305 --> 00:47:29,473 in Seattle right now 766 00:47:30,224 --> 00:47:32,518 and I think a lot of that is people moving here, 767 00:47:32,935 --> 00:47:36,313 bands moving here in hopes of becoming famous... 768 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,524 Because of all the hype and attention on Seattle 769 00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:40,192 people know that if they do something here 770 00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:42,653 they're gonna get recognized to some extent, 771 00:47:43,111 --> 00:47:44,905 they won't be totally overlooked, even if it's bad. 772 00:47:45,072 --> 00:47:47,825 In fact, there were musicians who moved to California 773 00:47:47,991 --> 00:47:50,828 in the early 80s, from Seattle, to try and get signed. 774 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:52,246 Who started moving back. 775 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,421 There's got to be at least a thousand, 776 00:48:01,588 --> 00:48:02,756 if not more than that in Seattle, 777 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,508 and so I came up with an idea 778 00:48:04,675 --> 00:48:06,635 to package boxsets of Northwest bands, 779 00:48:06,802 --> 00:48:09,513 so what I try and do is I try and find ways to exploit, 780 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,806 and I like the word 'exploit', 781 00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:13,559 exploit through propaganda and television 782 00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:15,602 the Northwest music community as a whole. 783 00:48:16,478 --> 00:48:18,313 Volume three is probably my favorite set, 784 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,942 it's got... it's got some of the most well-known bands. 785 00:48:22,276 --> 00:48:24,278 You got your Hammerbox, and your Hungry Crocodiles, 786 00:48:24,444 --> 00:48:26,989 Pond, Sara Debell, Peace, Love and Guitars. 787 00:48:27,447 --> 00:48:29,825 It's just got, I mean it's got so many great bands in it, 788 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,327 that if you wanna know anything about the Northwest music, 789 00:48:32,494 --> 00:48:33,912 there's my card. If you wanna know anything 790 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,622 about the Northwest music scene, 791 00:48:35,789 --> 00:48:38,166 this is a great place to start because all the cards 792 00:48:38,542 --> 00:48:40,836 have the contact information of the band on the back 793 00:48:41,003 --> 00:48:42,629 and also, if you take these cards, 794 00:48:42,963 --> 00:48:44,506 turn them face down, put them together, 795 00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,092 it's a jigsaw puzzle of a traffic jam on I5. 796 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:51,555 ♪ I say fuck ♪ 797 00:48:53,932 --> 00:48:56,143 ♪ I say fuck and you say yeah ♪ 798 00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:58,478 ♪ I say fuck and you say yeah ♪ 799 00:48:59,229 --> 00:49:02,065 ♪ I say fuck you say yeah I say fuck you say yeah ♪ 800 00:49:02,232 --> 00:49:04,234 ♪ I say fuck, yeah ♪ 801 00:49:04,943 --> 00:49:06,820 ♪ Oh, I say let's, And you say go ♪ 802 00:49:07,487 --> 00:49:09,823 ♪ I say let's, You say let's go, man ♪ 803 00:49:10,324 --> 00:49:13,285 ♪ I say let's and you say go I say let's and you say go ♪ 804 00:49:13,452 --> 00:49:15,746 ♪ I say let's go ♪ 805 00:49:21,752 --> 00:49:22,628 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 806 00:49:23,128 --> 00:49:24,838 Today I was in a music shop and I saw some people 807 00:49:25,005 --> 00:49:27,758 and it was like, "You moved from LA, probably yesterday!" 808 00:49:27,925 --> 00:49:29,551 Like, I feel sorry for the up and coming bands, 809 00:49:29,718 --> 00:49:30,928 they can't even get gigs, 810 00:49:31,637 --> 00:49:33,305 you know, it takes them years sometimes to get a gig. 811 00:49:33,472 --> 00:49:35,682 We were together, like, three weeks, we played a show. 812 00:49:35,849 --> 00:49:40,270 You say it's a ton of bands? The Trees way more than a ton. 813 00:49:40,729 --> 00:49:43,398 We're a ton of band. 814 00:49:44,358 --> 00:49:45,400 So, fuck 'em! 815 00:49:45,817 --> 00:49:47,361 We got bands all over this place, here. 816 00:49:47,527 --> 00:49:48,445 We got... 817 00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:51,490 The band in here, Inflatable Soule 818 00:49:52,616 --> 00:49:54,785 Manotypical. Rap band in this room. 819 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,373 I hear a lone drummer practicing here. 820 00:50:04,419 --> 00:50:06,880 Industrial nonsense comes out of that flat. 821 00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:08,799 It's all hallways and dark rooms. 822 00:50:11,009 --> 00:50:12,552 Bands in the rafters, 823 00:50:13,428 --> 00:50:15,347 Bands to the left, bands to the right. 824 00:50:15,973 --> 00:50:18,350 If you like being a kid setting up a lemonade stand 825 00:50:18,517 --> 00:50:20,185 and have a really successful lemonade stand, 826 00:50:20,352 --> 00:50:23,188 and all of a sudden ten of them open up right next to you, 827 00:50:23,355 --> 00:50:25,983 in your yard, on your block 828 00:50:26,608 --> 00:50:28,694 all competing for the same lemonade nickel. 829 00:50:30,404 --> 00:50:33,907 Only they're obviously selling lower quality lemonade. 830 00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:48,213 Right now, Seattle is quarter until six 831 00:50:49,256 --> 00:50:50,841 on Christmas Eve at a shopping mall 832 00:50:51,008 --> 00:50:52,718 when the mall closes at six 0' clock, 833 00:50:53,176 --> 00:50:54,761 when it's too crazy 834 00:50:55,095 --> 00:51:00,809 and it's loaded with sub-moronic idiots, prancing around, 835 00:51:01,226 --> 00:51:02,769 buying anything they can get their hands on. 836 00:51:13,822 --> 00:51:15,449 ...by universal acclaim, 837 00:51:15,615 --> 00:51:17,743 the nation's media have declared Seattle 838 00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:20,203 the coolest place in the known universe. 839 00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:23,123 The music of Seattle is as progressive as the people 840 00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:26,960 Listen to Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana. 841 00:51:27,127 --> 00:51:29,838 Where else can you get the Seattle sound? Best Buy. 842 00:51:30,005 --> 00:51:31,423 Once there was this grunge singer, 843 00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:33,175 who did all the things grunge singers would do. 844 00:51:33,341 --> 00:51:35,052 ♪ Puking on the carpet ♪ 845 00:51:35,218 --> 00:51:36,428 ♪ I couldn't help it ♪ 846 00:51:36,595 --> 00:51:37,929 ♪ I'm drinking from the toilet ♪ 847 00:51:38,096 --> 00:51:39,931 ♪ It's just a habit ♪ 848 00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:44,394 ♪ I swear that smell you smell Is not from me ♪ 849 00:51:44,561 --> 00:51:46,730 It's loud music with heavy vocals. 850 00:51:46,897 --> 00:51:48,398 Is it mutant rock and roll? 851 00:51:48,565 --> 00:51:50,567 Have we ever used chainsaws and axes? 852 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:53,862 Are they contributing anything to the world 853 00:51:54,062 --> 00:51:54,905 they're taking so much from? 854 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:58,909 Mudhoney is sort of like watching the market right now. 855 00:51:59,076 --> 00:52:01,036 In October 1993, 856 00:52:01,203 --> 00:52:03,497 this group's "VS." album debuted at number one, 857 00:52:03,663 --> 00:52:05,999 with sales of 950,000 copies. 858 00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:07,125 Jeremy. 859 00:52:07,375 --> 00:52:08,460 - Who is Pearl Jam? - Yeah. 860 00:52:08,627 --> 00:52:09,795 Pop music for 400. 861 00:52:11,254 --> 00:52:13,507 Does this look like we're unhappy or cynical? 862 00:52:13,673 --> 00:52:17,010 Okay, our next guests are a Seattle band, 863 00:52:17,177 --> 00:52:18,929 this right here is their newest album. 864 00:52:19,096 --> 00:52:20,889 - ...playing the Posies - "Weird Al" Yankovic. 865 00:52:21,098 --> 00:52:22,224 Pearl Jam! 866 00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:23,683 Hey Butt-Head, where's Seattle? 867 00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:24,810 - Seattle. - Seattle. 868 00:52:24,976 --> 00:52:27,187 Seattle. Thanks, phone dude! 869 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,524 I think now is the time that I should be 870 00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:32,692 announcing my candidacy for mayor of Seattle. 871 00:52:33,443 --> 00:52:35,862 When the whole thing was just out of control 872 00:52:36,029 --> 00:52:38,532 and press people were visiting our office 873 00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:40,242 at the rate of two or three a week, 874 00:52:41,701 --> 00:52:47,207 it seemed like very few of them had even the most remote clue 875 00:52:47,374 --> 00:52:48,667 of what was really going on in Seattle. 876 00:52:48,834 --> 00:52:51,336 Glossy print ad with a fancy red car 877 00:52:51,503 --> 00:52:54,923 and a background and they're saying something about grunge 878 00:52:56,424 --> 00:52:58,093 They think people are gonna go out and buy this car? 879 00:52:58,260 --> 00:52:59,886 They're gonna look at this ad and go, "Fuck you!" 880 00:53:00,053 --> 00:53:01,680 When you're close to something, 881 00:53:01,847 --> 00:53:03,682 you feel you know the truth about it 882 00:53:03,849 --> 00:53:06,810 and when People Magazine's writing about it 883 00:53:06,977 --> 00:53:08,436 you know they're not gonna have the truth, 884 00:53:08,603 --> 00:53:10,313 they have a very distorted view of it. 885 00:53:10,772 --> 00:53:13,066 And you realize that that's what the entire world sees 886 00:53:13,233 --> 00:53:16,444 and that's what the entire world thinks about, and they're wrong. 887 00:53:16,611 --> 00:53:19,990 ("Second Skin" by The Gits plays] 888 00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:31,668 Maybe there's like a bunch of photographers 889 00:53:31,835 --> 00:53:33,253 and they wanna put you with this other person 890 00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:34,629 from another band that you don't even know 891 00:53:35,005 --> 00:53:36,673 and they want you to put your arm around them and smile and... 892 00:53:36,882 --> 00:53:39,509 "You play in band, don't you?" "Yeah, yeah, I play in a band." 893 00:53:40,051 --> 00:53:41,386 "Pearl Jam, right?" II No-II 894 00:53:41,553 --> 00:53:42,762 "Aren't you the drummer from Pearl Jam?" 895 00:53:42,929 --> 00:53:44,431 "No, I'm not the drummer from Pearl Jam." 896 00:53:44,598 --> 00:53:46,057 They didn't even say anything about the music. 897 00:53:46,391 --> 00:53:47,976 They talked about what we wore 898 00:53:48,143 --> 00:53:49,686 and whether or not the girl in the band before 899 00:53:49,853 --> 00:53:51,188 shaved her armpits or not. 900 00:53:51,855 --> 00:53:53,148 The newest thing I heard was that 901 00:53:53,315 --> 00:53:56,109 we're really bad at interviews. 902 00:53:56,276 --> 00:53:58,695 Where could they possibly get that? 903 00:53:58,862 --> 00:54:02,657 ♪ Just to wake up Tells me I must be brave ♪ 904 00:54:02,824 --> 00:54:06,369 ♪ It hits me like a drug Shot into my vein ♪ 905 00:54:06,828 --> 00:54:10,248 ♪ It's not as delightful Delightful of a pain ♪ 906 00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:14,085 ♪ Immobilizing me Almost makes me think I'm dead ♪ 907 00:54:14,252 --> 00:54:18,173 ♪ I need a second skin Something to hold me tough ♪ 908 00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:19,674 ♪ Can't do it on my own ♪ 909 00:54:19,841 --> 00:54:21,718 ♪ Sometimes I need Just a little more help ♪ 910 00:54:21,885 --> 00:54:23,553 ♪ I want that chance to give ♪ 911 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,931 ♪ Every drop That's left in me ♪ 912 00:54:26,097 --> 00:54:27,349 .1' I need a second skin ♪ 913 00:54:27,515 --> 00:54:29,517 ♪ Something I cannot break free of ♪ 914 00:54:44,908 --> 00:54:48,245 ♪ I just tell myself, Girl, just let it breathe ♪ 915 00:54:48,828 --> 00:54:52,582 ♪ It's a calmness I'm always searching for ♪ 916 00:54:52,749 --> 00:54:56,211 ♪ The dirt it gets so heavy It falls above my head ♪ 917 00:54:56,378 --> 00:54:58,046 ♪ Seeping from under my feet ♪ 918 00:54:58,213 --> 00:54:59,923 ♪ It just keeps on Getting deeper ♪ 919 00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:01,925 .1' I need a second skin ♪ 920 00:55:02,092 --> 00:55:03,677 ♪ Something to help me tough ♪ 921 00:55:03,843 --> 00:55:05,303 ♪ Can't do it on my own ♪ 922 00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:07,472 ♪ Sometimes I need Just a little more help ♪ 923 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,474 ♪ I want that chance to give ♪ 924 00:55:09,641 --> 00:55:11,101 ♪ Every drop that's left in me ♪ 925 00:55:11,268 --> 00:55:12,978 .1' I need a second skin ♪ 926 00:55:13,186 --> 00:55:16,690 ♪ Something I cannot Break free of ♪ 927 00:55:16,856 --> 00:55:20,360 You just didn't wanna answer any more stupid questions. 928 00:55:20,527 --> 00:55:21,695 They were all the same. 929 00:55:21,861 --> 00:55:23,363 What's Seattle like? What are the bands like? 930 00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:25,240 Do you know this band? Do you know that band? 931 00:55:25,532 --> 00:55:26,491 Everyone had it. 932 00:55:26,866 --> 00:55:28,576 We put a moratorium at one point 933 00:55:28,743 --> 00:55:31,746 on people calling and asking for the Seattle story. 934 00:55:31,913 --> 00:55:35,208 There was nothing to do except just start poking fun 935 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:38,003 at the entire thing and so, instead of saying, 936 00:55:38,169 --> 00:55:39,838 "No, I really don't know that person", 937 00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:42,799 it would turn into, "Oh, sure, every Monday morning 938 00:55:42,966 --> 00:55:45,093 we eat banana splits at breakfast time," 939 00:55:45,427 --> 00:55:47,095 "Shoo-be-doo used to be my roommate", 940 00:55:47,262 --> 00:55:50,307 or, you know, "I'll tell ya, he has a horrible case 941 00:55:50,473 --> 00:55:52,851 of the squirts after he has Indian food." 942 00:55:53,268 --> 00:55:55,270 And, like, you just start making up 943 00:55:55,562 --> 00:55:57,272 every single lie you can 944 00:55:57,605 --> 00:55:59,407 and then try to... the goal is to 945 00:55:59,607 --> 00:56:01,860 just get crazy rumors circulating all the time. 946 00:56:02,027 --> 00:56:05,572 There's a big element of put on involved with all Seattle music, 947 00:56:05,739 --> 00:56:08,783 I mean, Kurt Cobain's goofy name spelling's, uh, 948 00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:12,329 a lot of Sub Pop's world domination kind of attitude, 949 00:56:12,495 --> 00:56:13,830 I mean, the whole thing's ridiculous. 950 00:56:13,997 --> 00:56:16,583 Seventy-five percent of what Bruce and Jon say is a lie. 951 00:56:17,459 --> 00:56:20,211 Um, but it serves them well. 952 00:56:20,378 --> 00:56:22,213 It's essentially been one big prank. 953 00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:24,215 We've always pretended we were something we weren't, 954 00:56:24,382 --> 00:56:25,967 now that we're huge and have a lot of money, 955 00:56:26,301 --> 00:56:27,761 we're trying to pretend that we're small and Indie 956 00:56:27,927 --> 00:56:28,845 and have street cred. 957 00:56:29,512 --> 00:56:31,556 That's one of the great things about a lot of the bands here 958 00:56:31,723 --> 00:56:33,224 that, you know, great humor, 959 00:56:33,892 --> 00:56:34,809 you know? 960 00:56:36,853 --> 00:56:38,817 It's why I'm obviously not from here. 961 00:56:39,017 --> 00:56:40,982 One of my favorite hoaxes 962 00:56:41,149 --> 00:56:43,193 was the lexicon of grunge. 963 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,320 The New York Times called Sub Pop records 964 00:56:45,487 --> 00:56:49,783 and talked to a woman there who just started making up words, 965 00:56:49,949 --> 00:56:52,077 they were trying to find out what the inside secret dope was. 966 00:56:52,243 --> 00:56:54,454 "What was the, uh, the hip language?" 967 00:56:54,621 --> 00:56:56,623 ...and I was like, "Uh, why don't you give me a word 968 00:56:56,790 --> 00:57:00,001 and I'll give you the grunge slang for it?" 969 00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:01,961 She just started making stuff up. 970 00:57:02,128 --> 00:57:04,172 A lot of it was kind of stuff that she used for herself, 971 00:57:04,339 --> 00:57:06,007 just for laughs, and next thing you know, 972 00:57:06,174 --> 00:57:07,634 it's on the cover of the New York Times 973 00:57:07,801 --> 00:57:09,928 and everybody around here was just giggling and snorting... 974 00:57:10,095 --> 00:57:12,138 If they're lame enough to try to scrutinize 975 00:57:12,389 --> 00:57:17,102 this totally stupid thing, why not fuck with them? 976 00:57:26,736 --> 00:57:30,824 ♪ I try to speak my mind Why'd you leave me? ♪ 977 00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:34,911 ♪ I could have taken you so far, But one bad movie ♪ 978 00:57:35,537 --> 00:57:39,499 ♪ Been across this fucking world To find my barista ♪ 979 00:57:40,041 --> 00:57:43,878 ♪ I put my love into the rig, So I could forget her ♪ 980 00:57:45,463 --> 00:57:48,967 ♪ Hello, It's me again, baby ♪ 981 00:57:52,053 --> 00:57:53,221 As you can see... 982 00:57:54,305 --> 00:57:56,015 I am basically... 983 00:57:56,891 --> 00:57:58,685 a trendsetter in the fashion scene 984 00:57:58,852 --> 00:57:59,936 and Rolling Stone called 985 00:58:00,979 --> 00:58:02,856 and they were doing a fashion spread on 986 00:58:03,022 --> 00:58:04,774 "What the Indies are wearing". 987 00:58:05,483 --> 00:58:06,985 I had to tell them that, uh, 988 00:58:07,152 --> 00:58:08,361 I didn't think they'd be interested in me 989 00:58:08,528 --> 00:58:09,863 but that we had a fella here, 990 00:58:10,029 --> 00:58:11,614 Scott McCaughey from The Young Fresh Fellows, 991 00:58:11,781 --> 00:58:14,868 who probably was just what they were looking for, so, uh, 992 00:58:15,034 --> 00:58:17,203 they came and they interviewed Scott briefly, 993 00:58:18,496 --> 00:58:20,498 and then got out this pile of clothes and made him, like, 994 00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:23,334 take off his Converse and put on their tennis shoes, 995 00:58:23,877 --> 00:58:27,630 and take off his flannel shirt, wear their flannel shirt. 996 00:58:27,964 --> 00:58:30,800 And then put, you know, in the caption below: 997 00:58:31,009 --> 00:58:32,510 "Flannel shirt 85 dollars." 998 00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:49,152 Who didn't get a flannel shirt for Christmas 999 00:58:49,319 --> 00:58:50,612 from their relatives? 1000 00:58:50,778 --> 00:58:52,155 And you tie it around your waist 1001 00:58:52,322 --> 00:58:54,073 and you run off and do a stage dive, 1002 00:58:54,908 --> 00:58:55,909 all across America. 1003 00:58:56,493 --> 00:58:59,245 But up here, because it's logger territory, 1004 00:58:59,412 --> 00:59:02,624 all these goon balls just wear flannel anyways 1005 00:59:02,790 --> 00:59:04,959 and then that's what became the stereotype here. 1006 00:59:07,879 --> 00:59:10,548 I mean, you go around, you know, cities everywhere 1007 00:59:10,715 --> 00:59:13,760 you see some real stereotypical grungies, 1008 00:59:13,927 --> 00:59:15,428 you know, the Pearl Jam shirt, 1009 00:59:15,595 --> 00:59:17,889 you know, with the stocking cap and the... 1010 00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:21,017 you know, the really long johns with the shorts 1011 00:59:21,184 --> 00:59:23,019 and then, and you just say "I spit on you!" 1012 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:42,914 Mannequins in stores with, like, long johns and shorts 1013 00:59:43,081 --> 00:59:45,208 for like 300 bucks and... 1014 00:59:45,625 --> 00:59:46,960 - It's like... - We got them fooled. 1015 00:59:47,126 --> 00:59:49,087 We wear long johns up here because it's fucking cold. 1016 00:59:49,254 --> 00:59:51,464 When Seventh Avenue decided 1017 00:59:51,673 --> 00:59:55,843 that grunge-wear was something they put on the runways 1018 00:59:56,469 --> 00:59:59,222 and that they thought it would be an absolute knock-over. 1019 00:59:59,389 --> 01:00:02,475 Yes, that any of my clients would be in their fashion shows 1020 01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:04,269 and be in their fashion layouts 1021 01:00:04,435 --> 01:00:07,188 and when Vanity Fair did a spread with people 1022 01:00:07,355 --> 01:00:09,566 like Joan Rivers wearing grunge-wear... 1023 01:00:10,525 --> 01:00:13,987 that was the only moment for me, so far, 1024 01:00:14,153 --> 01:00:16,447 That came close to unbearable. 1025 01:00:16,614 --> 01:00:17,907 It was our thing 1026 01:00:18,074 --> 01:00:19,617 and then all of a sudden belonged to people who... 1027 01:00:22,161 --> 01:00:24,122 You never thought you were sharing your music with. 1028 01:00:24,747 --> 01:00:27,709 Like mainstream periodicals and fashion magazines 1029 01:00:27,875 --> 01:00:29,168 and I started realizing 1030 01:00:29,335 --> 01:00:31,004 "Well, there's a whole lot of people out there 1031 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:34,716 making money by selling the idea of the Seattle scene 1032 01:00:34,882 --> 01:00:35,842 or grunge or whatever. 1033 01:00:36,009 --> 01:00:37,635 It's so profitable. 1034 01:00:37,802 --> 01:00:39,929 It's so profitable, and they'll just keep taking 1035 01:00:40,096 --> 01:00:41,723 and taking and taking and they're... 1036 01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:45,059 they just don't know how to restrain themselves, 1037 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,021 you know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. 1038 01:00:48,896 --> 01:00:50,356 And the bands aren't, I mean, 1039 01:00:50,523 --> 01:00:52,442 the bands aren't really in it for dough, 1040 01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:55,570 I mean, they just aren't. That would, if they were, 1041 01:00:55,737 --> 01:00:57,864 that would... That would tip over the music. 1042 01:00:58,448 --> 01:01:00,033 It's like it already, it's obvious to see 1043 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:03,411 the Seattle scene has become a marketed commodity. 1044 01:01:03,578 --> 01:01:06,039 ...but that's what makes pop culture 1045 01:01:06,205 --> 01:01:10,543 so significant to all the little consumers out there. 1046 01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:14,213 They have no interest in history or economics or science or art. 1047 01:01:14,756 --> 01:01:17,050 They're kinda interested more in gossip, 1048 01:01:17,592 --> 01:01:18,968 the nature of celebrity 1049 01:01:19,302 --> 01:01:22,889 and that's not at all encouraging to find out that... 1050 01:01:26,684 --> 01:01:29,937 You participate in that society. One way or the other. 1051 01:01:31,064 --> 01:01:34,776 ♪ I wonder why I do The things I do ♪ 1052 01:01:35,943 --> 01:01:39,989 ♪ One plus one has Always meant more than two ♪ 1053 01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:44,744 ♪ Happy and then content ♪ 1054 01:01:45,495 --> 01:01:48,665 ♪ Change the channel And now I'm bent ♪ 1055 01:01:48,831 --> 01:01:52,710 ♪ On leaving you Yeah ♪ 1056 01:01:53,294 --> 01:01:57,131 ♪ On leaving you ♪ 1057 01:01:57,882 --> 01:02:01,636 ♪ On leaving you ♪ 1058 01:02:02,178 --> 01:02:05,306 ♪ On leaving you ♪ 1059 01:02:47,932 --> 01:02:51,144 Bands get all big and then everybody starts to like 'em 1060 01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:56,482 and then they just become so overplayed and kinda sold out 1061 01:02:56,649 --> 01:02:58,192 and I just, I get out of them. 1062 01:02:58,359 --> 01:03:02,780 That really pisses me off. Well, I liked them first! 1063 01:03:02,947 --> 01:03:04,907 When you hear a song that's a great song, 1064 01:03:05,074 --> 01:03:06,993 played a million times, you never want to hear it again. 1065 01:03:10,246 --> 01:03:11,998 "If I hear that song one more time..." 1066 01:03:12,331 --> 01:03:14,876 "If I see that guy's face one more time..." 1067 01:03:15,042 --> 01:03:16,586 I wanna fuckin' find out his address 1068 01:03:16,753 --> 01:03:18,045 and kill that motherfucker." 1069 01:03:20,465 --> 01:03:22,800 I don't blame 'em. I've said it myself. 1070 01:03:22,967 --> 01:03:25,970 There definitely is the idea that success is bad 1071 01:03:26,137 --> 01:03:27,513 and that's part of the rebellion, 1072 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,515 that's part of the rebellion against... 1073 01:03:29,891 --> 01:03:33,936 against the '80s, you know, um, our peers and our parents, 1074 01:03:34,479 --> 01:03:37,482 that didn't really wanna become successful 1075 01:03:37,648 --> 01:03:40,902 because with that comes the trappings of responsibility. 1076 01:03:41,068 --> 01:03:42,904 Its seemed for a while that, like, that "celebrity" 1077 01:03:43,070 --> 01:03:44,906 was not really what you wanted once you got it 1078 01:03:45,072 --> 01:03:46,449 and yet, you look at any of these people, 1079 01:03:46,616 --> 01:03:48,242 that are now complaining about 1080 01:03:48,409 --> 01:03:49,869 being too much in the spotlight 1081 01:03:50,036 --> 01:03:51,871 or always, you know, scrutinized by everyone. 1082 01:03:53,164 --> 01:03:54,874 What did you expect, you know? 1083 01:03:55,041 --> 01:03:56,959 I think a lot of people whine about it 1084 01:03:57,126 --> 01:04:01,380 but secretly they kind of are excited about it too. 1085 01:04:01,547 --> 01:04:04,884 I don't think that people ever can imagine 1086 01:04:05,051 --> 01:04:07,220 what is gonna go along with being popular, 1087 01:04:07,386 --> 01:04:09,889 I mean, I don't think no matter what somebody tells you, 1088 01:04:10,056 --> 01:04:11,307 it's gonna be like, 1089 01:04:11,474 --> 01:04:13,643 I think it's a lot different once you get there. 1090 01:04:14,352 --> 01:04:16,687 I think so too, maybe we should try to find out. 1091 01:04:18,523 --> 01:04:22,360 ♪ Painted blue across my eyes ♪ 1092 01:04:22,527 --> 01:04:25,363 ♪ And tie the linen on ♪ 1093 01:04:26,113 --> 01:04:29,242 ♪ And I'm on my way ♪ 1094 01:04:33,746 --> 01:04:39,836 ♪ Looking for the paradigm So I can pass it off J" 1095 01:04:40,336 --> 01:04:44,048 ♪ Is it on my side ♪ 1096 01:04:47,552 --> 01:04:50,972 ♪ Is it to the sky ♪ 1097 01:04:54,767 --> 01:05:00,106 ♪ Is to the sky ♪ 1098 01:05:22,461 --> 01:05:27,967 ♪ Painted blue across my eyes And tie the linen on ♪ 1099 01:05:28,384 --> 01:05:31,262 ♪ And I'm on my way ♪ 1100 01:05:32,305 --> 01:05:35,016 ♪ On my way a' 1101 01:05:35,516 --> 01:05:40,980 ♪ Looking for the paradigm So I can pass it off J" 1102 01:05:41,439 --> 01:05:44,483 ♪ Is it on my side ♪ 1103 01:05:45,318 --> 01:05:47,361 ♪ On my side ♪ 1104 01:05:48,070 --> 01:05:50,156 ♪ Is it to the sky ♪ 1105 01:05:52,033 --> 01:05:54,327 ♪ To the sky ♪ 1106 01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:57,121 ♪ Is it to the sky ♪ 1107 01:05:57,997 --> 01:05:59,832 ♪ And down ♪ 1108 01:06:01,792 --> 01:06:06,631 ♪ Searching for the ground ♪ 1109 01:06:07,256 --> 01:06:10,927 ♪ With my good eye closed ♪ 1110 01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:14,805 I kinda figured you play guitar or drums or whatever, 1111 01:06:14,972 --> 01:06:18,309 say, make a record, play a show, 1112 01:06:18,476 --> 01:06:20,019 if people like your record, they like your show. 1113 01:06:20,978 --> 01:06:23,147 Couldn't really anticipate it becoming interviews 1114 01:06:23,314 --> 01:06:25,900 and videos and photo sessions. 1115 01:06:26,859 --> 01:06:28,235 In sort of the forefront of our mind, 1116 01:06:28,444 --> 01:06:30,780 we knew that these were things that went along with the job. 1117 01:06:31,530 --> 01:06:34,700 We never really, really can anticipate it 'til you're there. 1118 01:06:34,867 --> 01:06:36,285 It's like, fuck. 1119 01:06:37,286 --> 01:06:41,916 Do without the fame stuff and just give me the money. 1120 01:07:36,762 --> 01:07:39,265 ♪ Is it to the sky ♪ 1121 01:07:40,433 --> 01:07:42,393 ♪ To the sky ♪ 1122 01:07:43,436 --> 01:07:45,813 ♪ To the sky ♪ 1123 01:07:46,772 --> 01:07:49,775 ♪ To the sky ♪ 1124 01:08:08,085 --> 01:08:09,670 You have a favorite band, right, 1125 01:08:09,837 --> 01:08:11,297 and you think "Why isn't this band enormous", 1126 01:08:11,672 --> 01:08:12,965 you know, the world is just not a very, 1127 01:08:13,132 --> 01:08:14,800 you know, it's just an unjust place, 1128 01:08:15,217 --> 01:08:17,178 and then you have a band you know is amazing, 1129 01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:19,346 and suddenly everybody else in the world 1130 01:08:19,513 --> 01:08:21,432 knows that they're amazing and wants to get at them 1131 01:08:22,099 --> 01:08:23,601 and write about them, and you know... 1132 01:08:24,894 --> 01:08:26,937 You start wondering if success is really a good thing 1133 01:08:27,104 --> 01:08:29,148 because it, it sort of makes people psycho. 1134 01:08:29,315 --> 01:08:30,816 It's nothing to strive for. 1135 01:08:31,442 --> 01:08:33,903 It's actually like... this kind of success 1136 01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:36,197 or trying to fulfill this kind of hype, 1137 01:08:36,363 --> 01:08:37,990 it can destroy everything. 1138 01:08:38,157 --> 01:08:40,534 It can destroy what's real, which is like music to you, 1139 01:08:40,993 --> 01:08:43,162 or what's real, which is your life, 1140 01:08:43,913 --> 01:08:45,206 you know, it can destroy it... 1141 01:08:46,332 --> 01:08:49,877 You know, it can make it a commodity. 1142 01:08:52,088 --> 01:08:54,882 At who's cost? At yours. 1143 01:08:55,382 --> 01:08:58,260 At your life and you know, your music. 1144 01:09:01,430 --> 01:09:02,932 They'll, you know... 1145 01:09:06,185 --> 01:09:07,812 take it all away from you. 1146 01:09:08,562 --> 01:09:09,980 And you're supposed to be happy about it 1147 01:09:10,147 --> 01:09:12,024 because you're successful. 1148 01:09:17,655 --> 01:09:20,074 ♪ You kissed me once And you kissed me twice ♪ 1149 01:09:20,491 --> 01:09:22,409 ♪ With your mess Of slobbering lips ♪ 1150 01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,746 ♪ With dribble in my brow I wait until you turned ♪ 1151 01:09:25,996 --> 01:09:28,290 ♪ And I wiped it On my pant leg ♪ 1152 01:09:34,171 --> 01:09:36,674 ♪ Well now I'll sign a paper For everyone to see ♪ 1153 01:09:38,134 --> 01:09:39,510 ♪ Now I'm up here singing For everyone to hear ♪ 1154 01:09:39,885 --> 01:09:42,304 ♪ Now I'll sign a paper For everyone to see ♪ 1155 01:09:42,763 --> 01:09:45,307 ♪ Now I'm up here singing For everyone to hear ♪ 1156 01:09:45,558 --> 01:09:46,600 ♪ You ♪ 1157 01:09:47,434 --> 01:09:48,769 ♪ Especially you ♪ 1158 01:09:50,187 --> 01:09:51,564 ♪ It's all for you ♪ 1159 01:09:52,815 --> 01:09:54,358 ♪ It's because of you ♪ 1160 01:09:57,153 --> 01:09:59,989 ♪ My lungs are filled With smoke ♪ 1161 01:10:02,449 --> 01:10:06,662 ♪ Eyes wide and hazy From too many tears ♪ 1162 01:10:08,038 --> 01:10:11,792 ♪ Red and glossy From too many beers ♪ 1163 01:10:13,335 --> 01:10:16,964 ♪ And my stomach shapes Into one big knot ♪ 1164 01:10:18,591 --> 01:10:22,178 ♪ My stomach shapes Into one big knot J" 1165 01:10:23,053 --> 01:10:24,805 When you're in a band and it progresses 1166 01:10:24,972 --> 01:10:26,765 from being in the basement, learning how to play, 1167 01:10:26,932 --> 01:10:28,851 and then you go on to more and more steps 1168 01:10:29,018 --> 01:10:30,519 and that's a natural progression of a band 1169 01:10:30,686 --> 01:10:32,479 and you can see that that's a good thing, 1170 01:10:32,646 --> 01:10:33,939 it's all fine, 1171 01:10:34,231 --> 01:10:36,358 but then you get to this point where you're looking backwards 1172 01:10:36,525 --> 01:10:38,152 and you're like, well, maybe it was better back then. 1173 01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:39,528 Well imagine, 1174 01:10:39,695 --> 01:10:42,031 you're a band, you're making music for fun... 1175 01:10:42,489 --> 01:10:43,824 because you like writing your own songs, 1176 01:10:43,991 --> 01:10:45,701 you like playing your own songs, 1177 01:10:46,076 --> 01:10:48,329 you like playing to your friends and having them clap 1178 01:10:48,495 --> 01:10:49,997 and, you know, having a good time, 1179 01:10:50,164 --> 01:10:51,624 and getting up and jumping around on stage 1180 01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:53,500 and, you know, crashing into people, 1181 01:10:53,667 --> 01:10:56,128 and um, suddenly, every publication 1182 01:10:56,295 --> 01:10:59,298 and all the media in the world wants to get at you, 1183 01:10:59,465 --> 01:11:01,091 suddenly, people everywhere you go 1184 01:11:01,258 --> 01:11:02,843 recognize you, they want your autograph, 1185 01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:05,387 suddenly your life as a private individual is over with. 1186 01:11:07,223 --> 01:11:10,809 And that's probably a pretty heavy thing to deal with. 1187 01:11:10,976 --> 01:11:12,102 What it looks like is, 1188 01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:15,105 wow, if you wanna be really successful, do heroin 1189 01:11:15,272 --> 01:11:17,107 but what I see is, 1190 01:11:17,274 --> 01:11:18,984 I saw people who were making really good music, 1191 01:11:19,568 --> 01:11:22,279 suddenly have like this overwhelming need for money. 1192 01:11:22,446 --> 01:11:25,324 It's fucking heartbreaking to see 1193 01:11:25,491 --> 01:11:26,825 how disillusioned... 1194 01:11:28,327 --> 01:11:30,621 People get to where they... 1195 01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:37,503 that escape is so... sought after. 1196 01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:38,963 I think the first hint of it 1197 01:11:39,171 --> 01:11:40,464 was when Andy Wood died. 1198 01:11:40,965 --> 01:11:42,675 We started thinking, "This is really sad 1199 01:11:42,841 --> 01:11:44,927 because this guy had a great future in front of him, 1200 01:11:45,094 --> 01:11:47,513 he was a really wonderful guy, funniest guy. 1201 01:11:47,721 --> 01:11:51,767 The only rock and roll stand-up comic in Seattle 1202 01:11:51,934 --> 01:11:53,852 was Andy Wood, and, uh... 1203 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,689 we thought, man, you know, 1204 01:11:56,855 --> 01:11:57,982 they haven't even become stars yet, 1205 01:11:58,148 --> 01:11:59,608 and already he's a casualty. 1206 01:12:01,193 --> 01:12:04,154 Kurt, on New Year's Day, '93. 1207 01:12:04,321 --> 01:12:07,491 Um, this was the shoot for the cover of The Advocate 1208 01:12:08,617 --> 01:12:10,494 and, uh, I really like this photo of Kurt, 1209 01:12:10,661 --> 01:12:12,621 we were just, we were just talking and... 1210 01:12:12,788 --> 01:12:15,124 and I was just picking the camera up occasionally 1211 01:12:15,291 --> 01:12:16,959 and photographing him. 1212 01:12:17,126 --> 01:12:19,545 It's rare to see a picture where he's, 1213 01:12:19,712 --> 01:12:23,090 he's emoting or doing something with his hands 1214 01:12:23,257 --> 01:12:26,719 other than in his pocket and I really like this one. 1215 01:12:48,365 --> 01:12:49,783 Symbolically, perhaps, 1216 01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:51,785 it represented the death of something. 1217 01:12:51,985 --> 01:12:54,121 I mean, I know when, I was... 1218 01:12:54,288 --> 01:12:57,041 it affected me in such a way that I was seriously tempted 1219 01:12:57,207 --> 01:12:59,585 to give up everything and go be a farmer or something. 1220 01:12:59,752 --> 01:13:02,254 It was just, it was so disillusioning to me. 1221 01:13:04,590 --> 01:13:06,675 It was hard, I didn't take it well. 1222 01:14:05,943 --> 01:14:07,486 If all this influence 1223 01:14:07,653 --> 01:14:09,655 that this part of the country has 1224 01:14:09,822 --> 01:14:11,240 and this musical scene has, 1225 01:14:11,407 --> 01:14:12,908 if it doesn't do anything with it, 1226 01:14:13,826 --> 01:14:15,119 that would be the tragedy. 1227 01:14:15,285 --> 01:14:17,454 If it doesn't do something with it 1228 01:14:17,621 --> 01:14:18,997 like make some kind of change 1229 01:14:19,164 --> 01:14:20,457 and make some kind of difference, 1230 01:14:20,624 --> 01:14:22,876 this group of people who feels this certain way 1231 01:14:23,043 --> 01:14:25,921 this group of people who, like, thinks these things 1232 01:14:26,088 --> 01:14:29,299 that the underdogs we've all met and lived with think... 1233 01:14:29,466 --> 01:14:31,093 if they'd finally get to the forefront 1234 01:14:31,260 --> 01:14:32,594 and nothing comes of it, 1235 01:14:34,096 --> 01:14:35,681 that would be the tragedy. 1236 01:15:06,336 --> 01:15:09,882 ♪ Restless soul ♪ 1237 01:15:10,048 --> 01:15:12,384 ♪ Enjoy your youth ♪ 1238 01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:18,390 ♪ Like Muhammad ♪ 1239 01:15:18,557 --> 01:15:20,350 ♪ Hits the truth ♪ 1240 01:15:22,603 --> 01:15:25,814 ♪ Can't escape from ♪ 1241 01:15:26,607 --> 01:15:28,775 ♪ The common rule ♪ 1242 01:15:30,652 --> 01:15:34,239 ♪ If you hate something ♪ 1243 01:15:34,406 --> 01:15:36,116 ♪ Don't you do it too ♪ 1244 01:15:37,075 --> 01:15:38,035 ♪ Too ♪ 1245 01:15:38,202 --> 01:15:40,454 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1246 01:15:42,456 --> 01:15:44,458 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1247 01:15:46,293 --> 01:15:48,253 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1248 01:15:50,047 --> 01:15:52,591 ♪ Oh, never was for you ♪ 1249 01:15:53,759 --> 01:15:54,843 ♪ You ♪ 1250 01:15:57,638 --> 01:15:59,598 To actually be this close 1251 01:15:59,765 --> 01:16:03,060 to a pop culture explosion has been really fascinating. 1252 01:16:03,227 --> 01:16:05,354 I mean also, when you can understand what happened 1253 01:16:05,521 --> 01:16:07,648 in San Francisco in '66 and '67, you can understand what happened 1254 01:16:07,814 --> 01:16:09,149 in England during the punk thing 1255 01:16:09,733 --> 01:16:11,735 and in during the Mersey Beat era 1256 01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:14,238 and the subsequent stuff that happened in London, 1257 01:16:14,404 --> 01:16:15,572 I mean, all of a sudden, 1258 01:16:15,864 --> 01:16:18,742 you can see how ridiculous the whole God damn thing is, 1259 01:16:18,909 --> 01:16:20,869 I mean, it's utterly absurd, I mean... 1260 01:16:21,662 --> 01:16:22,996 It's so funny that they call it 1261 01:16:23,205 --> 01:16:26,375 the Seattle scene, because it all grew out of the region. 1262 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,628 Everybody doing what they love because they love it. 1263 01:16:29,795 --> 01:16:31,463 It doesn't matter if they're from Bellingham, 1264 01:16:32,005 --> 01:16:33,465 Portland, Olympia, 1265 01:16:34,007 --> 01:16:35,425 you have people who are in bands 1266 01:16:35,592 --> 01:16:37,094 because they want to be in bands, 1267 01:16:37,302 --> 01:16:40,097 who started record labels cause they like their friends' bands 1268 01:16:40,264 --> 01:16:42,558 and they want to put out a rack of fanzines 1269 01:16:42,724 --> 01:16:45,477 because no one was covering the kind of music that they heard 1270 01:16:45,644 --> 01:16:47,479 and all this was allowed to grow 1271 01:16:47,646 --> 01:16:50,649 without any other force coming in and disturbing that. 1272 01:16:54,152 --> 01:16:57,447 ♪ All that's sacred ♪ 1273 01:16:58,156 --> 01:16:59,616 ♪ Comes from you ♪ 1274 01:17:02,452 --> 01:17:07,791 ♪ Dedications naive and true ♪ 1275 01:17:10,627 --> 01:17:14,006 ♪ With no power ♪ 1276 01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:16,466 ♪ Nothing to do ♪ 1277 01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:22,347 ♪ I still remember ♪ 1278 01:17:22,514 --> 01:17:24,182 ♪ Why don't you? ♪ 1279 01:17:25,017 --> 01:17:26,101 ♪ Don't you ♪ 1280 01:17:26,268 --> 01:17:27,894 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1281 01:17:30,272 --> 01:17:32,149 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1282 01:17:34,234 --> 01:17:36,278 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1283 01:17:37,779 --> 01:17:40,532 ♪ Oh, never was for you ♪ 1284 01:17:40,699 --> 01:17:41,825 ♪ Fuck you ♪ 1285 01:17:41,992 --> 01:17:44,119 ♪ This is not for you ♪ 1286 01:17:45,662 --> 01:17:47,914 ♪ Oh, never was for you ♪ 1287 01:17:49,333 --> 01:17:51,543 ♪ You ♪ 1288 01:17:53,003 --> 01:17:54,338 I didn't think I would be 1289 01:17:54,504 --> 01:17:56,131 making a living at doing this. 1290 01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:59,760 I mean, I had no idea that these bands were going to become so, 1291 01:18:00,218 --> 01:18:01,762 so popular, so famous. 1292 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:04,306 I would have taken a lot more photographs of them 1293 01:18:04,473 --> 01:18:05,724 if I'd have known. 1294 01:18:05,891 --> 01:18:07,976 Our first year's tour was a total failure, you know, 1295 01:18:08,143 --> 01:18:09,311 we didn't make more than 90 bucks 1296 01:18:09,478 --> 01:18:10,812 at any show in the whole US. 1297 01:18:10,979 --> 01:18:12,606 And I'm just like, they hated us everywhere we went. 1298 01:18:13,106 --> 01:18:15,317 We're doing basically the same thing we were doing in '85 1299 01:18:15,859 --> 01:18:17,611 and now people like us. I don't know why. 1300 01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:19,780 Let me put things in perspective for you. 1301 01:18:19,946 --> 01:18:20,947 Five years ago, 1302 01:18:21,281 --> 01:18:23,367 this was a sleepy little coastal fishing village, 1303 01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:26,662 now, could we have the camera pan out to the skyline here, 1304 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,165 this kind of economic development is directly related 1305 01:18:30,707 --> 01:18:32,626 to what Jon and I have done to promote Seattle. 1306 01:18:33,377 --> 01:18:35,837 That's what's become of the great punk rock party house 1307 01:18:36,004 --> 01:18:37,422 of the mid '80s. 1308 01:18:38,131 --> 01:18:39,132 It's so harsh. 1309 01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:41,426 It used to be this tiny little shack, like, set way back 1310 01:18:41,593 --> 01:18:43,303 and these terrible, like, big weeds 1311 01:18:43,470 --> 01:18:45,389 in the middle of this, these beautiful homes. 1312 01:18:45,972 --> 01:18:49,017 And now look, it is a beautiful home. 1313 01:18:49,184 --> 01:18:50,986 I would love to, in about 20 years from now, 1314 01:18:51,186 --> 01:18:54,648 be playing in, like, uh, some kind of super-lounge-y soul band 1315 01:18:54,815 --> 01:18:56,900 with a horn section or something like that, you know? 1316 01:18:57,067 --> 01:19:00,070 Yeah, probably all be playing in RandB bands 1317 01:19:00,237 --> 01:19:01,279 in Pioneer Square. 1318 01:19:01,446 --> 01:19:02,864 Probably the same... 1319 01:19:03,031 --> 01:19:05,075 Probably the same RandB band on Pioneer Square. 1320 01:19:05,242 --> 01:19:07,369 ♪ This is the... ♪ 1321 01:19:07,536 --> 01:19:10,414 Wow, what did I do right in a past life, or whatever, 1322 01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:11,915 that I get to do this 1323 01:19:12,082 --> 01:19:13,834 with my three really good friends? 1324 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,293 I get to be in a band, 1325 01:19:15,460 --> 01:19:16,628 and make music with these people, 1326 01:19:16,795 --> 01:19:17,713 it's a really incredible experience. 1327 01:19:17,963 --> 01:19:21,717 We just play music when we can and do shows 1328 01:19:21,883 --> 01:19:23,927 and record them. We have songs... 1329 01:19:24,094 --> 01:19:26,346 Every now and then we find out Seattle got really famous. 1330 01:19:26,513 --> 01:19:27,973 And we didn't 1331 01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:29,474 It's not too bad, it's okay. 1332 01:22:41,124 --> 01:22:42,167 What was the question?